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With so many cables in a backbox there is certainly a more likelihood of damage to one of them cables. Especially in regards to screwing the faceplate on.
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It's closed, case dismissed, the prosecution failed to turn up!
Isn't there an argument for both systems depending on the application?
Isn't there an argument for both systems depending on the application?
I don't like neutrals at switches if they are not needed, and you will have to block it, which I totally disagree with.
Why do you disagree with it? most connections are within a screw terminal of some sort or other, thats all a block is
that is just pants, and why I would not do it
personnaly neutral at switch because im fed up of going round to my brothers every time he buys new lights and they wont switch cuz the dope has bundled everything that is brown in the same block and i have to sort it out.
ok lets go to bigger switches, and by that I mean 4, 5 ,6 gangs and upwards, and you had maybe 5,6 feeds at the one switch, its going to look pretty ugly, and what would you think if you took the switch off and 7 connector blocks sprung out at you!
ok lets go to bigger switches, and by that I mean 4, 5 ,6 gangs and upwards, and you had maybe 5,6 feeds at the one switch, its going to look pretty ugly, and what would you think if you took the switch off and 7 connector blocks sprung out at you!
Yep, agree with you but generally I think the post was directed at normal run of the mill rewire.
Percentage is rising of nipping one of them with screws
0.0 %. LOOK at the backbox???
Looks like a picture of the spidge binView attachment 5410
Does this put it all into perspective at all, found this last week under somebodies floor boards
View attachment 5410
Does this put it all into perspective at all, found this last week under somebodies floor boards
Thats what you are likely to find in switch's in 5 years time
You said you hadn't even seen this method before so on what basis are your scenario's from?
Why can you not do the 'loop into the switch' method in a commercial/industrial situation?sorry I am more of an commercial/industrial installer
Obviously if you were wiring using singles you wouldn't loop anywhere.
That's a good example of how wiring methods change - that would have been perfectly acceptable 'back in the day'.View attachment 5410
Does this put it all into perspective at all, found this last week under somebodies floor boards
That doesn't really answer the question.really? oh I feel so stupid now
really? oh I feel so stupid now
Could you not feed the switch with the live then take the switched live off to the lights, and take the neutral straight there?you still need to loop singles m8y
I think the difference is having a decent apprenticeship where you was taught what was what, and not what these new kids on the block get taught at college today, then go out into the big world of sparking without any practical experience.
sorry I am more of an commercial/industrial installer
Let me put it this way then, .... I wouldn't and haven't allowed it on any of my projects in the past, and wont allow it on my next project!!! If a neutral is needed for outside lights and the like, fine i have no-problem with that, but i do have a problem with using the switch points as junction boxes as a wiring system!!! No Way Ho Say!!!!!
Only ever seen this tried once on a project, and that was on a stand alone smallish building on a large shopping centre complex. In this case the building was very much like a normal house build, and using T&E wiring methods. Only caught it after a good 2/3rds of the first fix had been installed. Just the same, ...it all came out!!!
I'm getting to understand the meaning of Domestic installers now!!!!
Originally Posted by MrEnigma
I think the difference is having a decent apprenticeship where you was taught what was what, and not what these new kids on the block get taught at college today, then go out into the big world of sparking without any practical experience.
That is possibly one of the most sweeping and moronic statements i have ever read on this site. I served a 3 year apprenticeship with a well respected local NIC EIC approved contracting firm and i learnt both methods of wiring lighting circuits.
Risk falling of a ladder what about takeing a Zs reading....Hold on lets just do the calculation Zs= Ze + R1 + R2 like the Niceic say to do.
I've never seen this and never ever been taught to this. Il also never teach anyone to do it.
Also if you've got a dimmer switch less room
Must be wrong if you've never seen it or been taught it then!
I don't think anyone has said its wrong just that some would not do it. A more valid point was the one of adding to the circuit. It becomes much more of a ballache than having to lift boards up and looping out of the rose to an extra light. Instead having to chase wall just to carry on loop to an extra fitting.
Nope never came across this ever.
It was saying it was wrong that caused this thread to take off, along with casting doubt on the training of 'neutral in the box' practitioners and an implication that this was something unique to domestic installers!
IQ you become so pedantic at times and pop up just to have your say when it suits you. Mainly when wronging someone.
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