RCD tripping on lighting circuit when lamps (bulbs) are put into light fittings

[heartofgold]

Hi,
Lighting circuit trips the RCD.
took out all the lamps and it holds. Put any lamp back into any light on the circuit and it trips. All but one of the light fittings on the circuit are Class 1.

Any advice gratefully received

hog

 

[Marvo]

Are you an electrician? Has there been any alterations recently?
Sounds like a neutral problem to me.

 

[Guest111]

Sounds like a neutral connected to be the earth bar somewhere to me.

 

[heartofgold]

Are you an electrician? Has there been any alterations recently?
Sounds like a neutral problem to me.

Yes I'm a spark. Yes the property owner fitted new accessories! Told me there was a problem with the tw way switch on the landing/hall before I started.
Going back this afternoon and I'll take all the lights down first and work back from there

 

[GLENNSPARK]

dont you get tired of this chaps...

 

[Silly Sausage]

dont you get tired of this chaps...

I gave up years ago.
You get half a story, then it's like pulling teeth to find out all the facts.
You're just wasting your time speculating.

 

[MDJ]

dont you get tired of this chaps...

Oh yes, but the DIY forum helps a lot here, some of it goes there first now lol

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Yes I'm a spark. Yes the property owner fitted new accessories! Told me there was a problem with the tw way switch on the landing/hall before I started.
Going back this afternoon and I'll take all the lights down first and work back from there

try starting at the switches...

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Oh yes, but the DIY forum helps a lot here, some of it goes there first now lol

well alls i can say mike is this `net` has a bloody big rip in it...

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Hi,
Lighting circuit trips the RCD.
took out all the lamps and it holds. Put any lamp back into any light on the circuit and it trips. All but one of the light fittings on the circuit are Class 1.

Any advice gratefully received

hog

I am interested in the thought process which led to you taking all the lamps out when faced with an RCD that wont hold. I have to admit that in the hundreds of instances I've been faced with this problem over the years not once have I thought to myself...."I know,I'll whip all the lamps out"

 

[telectrix]

when will customers realise that it's £40 to fix the light, £60 if he watches, and £80 if he's messed with it first.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I am interested in the thought process which led to you taking all the lamps out when faced with an RCD that wont hold. I have to admit that in the hundreds of instances I've been faced with this problem over the years not once have I thought to myself...."I know,I'll whip all the lamps out"

dont waste your time here Wire...
its like talking to an apple or summat..

 

[GLENNSPARK]

when will customers realise that it's £40 to fix the light, £60 if he watches, and £80 if he's messed with it first.

Tel...let em carry on...
then after he realises it wasn`t so cost effective after all the phone rings....

 

[Silly Sausage]

when will customers realise that it's £40 to fix the light, £60 if he watches, and £80 if he's messed with it first.

Many, many, many moons ago, when I was a programmer, when my boss came along and looked over my shoulder I'd just stop working and gaze around for a while until he bogged off.
He soon learnt not to hassle a genius at work.

 

[stuartcourt]

Many, many, many moons ago, when I was a programmer, when my boss came along and looked over my shoulder I'd just stop working and gaze around for a while until he bogged off.
He soon learnt not to hassle a genius at work.

Did you really change career from a programmer to a spark

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Many, many, many moons ago, when I was a programmer, when my boss came along and looked over my shoulder I'd just stop working and gaze around for a while until he bogged off.
He soon learnt not to hassle a genius at work.

shall we add another many to that Archy...
get a sense of realism to it....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Many, many, many moons ago, when I was a programmer, when my boss came along and looked over my shoulder I'd just stop working and gaze around for a while until he bogged off.
He soon learnt not to hassle a genius at work.

its the cold shoulder tecnique..
i have had to employ this method of getting people i dont like to
f%*k off on several different occasions

 

[Silly Sausage]

Did you really change career from a programmer to a spark

Got redundanted (sic) 1991 from C prog., colour measurement stuff, quite interesting.
I can't stand office work and other stuff turned up at the time and I eventually returned to my original love (late 70s) of things electrical.

 

[Silly Sausage]

shall we add another many to that Archy...
get a sense of realism to it....

NO! Save your spare moons for Geordie & Tony.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

NO! Save your spare moons for Geordie & Tony.

what do you mean?
i thought you were in that particular club...

 

[Silly Sausage]

what do you mean?
i thought you were in that particular club...

You're not getting a 'Thanks' this time, boy!

 

[telectrix]

i'm not mooning for anybody. my arse is my personal think tank.

 

[Silly Sausage]

my arse is my personal think tank.

I thought your lass parked her bike there...

 

[telectrix]

OUCH., it's a harley.

 

[Des 56]

Many, many, many moons ago, when I was a programmer, when my boss came along and looked over my shoulder I'd just stop working and gaze around for a while until he bogged off.
He soon learnt not to hassle a genius at work.

I can't handle anyone looking over my shoulder either
I also stop,but I don't gaze around,I put the tools down,turn to face them.fold my arms and look them in the eye and wait for battle of the eye contact to conclude
No words,no moaning

 

[Silly Sausage]

OUCH., it's a harley.

Shirley not, scousers are full of ...

 

[richy3333]

"I know,I'll whip all the lamps out"

OO-er misses

 

[Geordie Spark]

Many, many, many moons ago, when I was a programmer, when my boss came along and looked over my shoulder I'd just stop working and gaze around for a while until he bogged off.
He soon learnt not to hassle a genius at work.

I used to do that too.

During that hot summer of '76 or thereabouts, I was working as a turner in an engineering company where the boss was always hanging over my shoulder.

This day, he was wearing a sparkling white bri-nylon shirt and I was sick of him standing behind me just off my left shoulder, so I applied a nice heavy cut, selected a nice fast spindle speed and dropped the machine's clutch in and showered him with nice hot swarf.

In less than five seconds his shirt became a string vest.

 

[Silly Sausage]

During that hot summer of '76 or thereabouts....

That'll have been 77, when God Save the Queen came out, happy days!

 

[heartofgold]

We'll thank you all for your responses. I'm just home from the job and found the fault behind a Class 1 fitting where the connector block neutral had melted onto the back of the casing. Then I had to fix out the stramash in the two way switches. All sorted now and the install buttoned down and tested.

Apologies for for not responding to all your online splaff but I was too busy making money. How do you guys have so much time to chat on this forum?

 

[Des 56]

That'll have been 77, when God Save the Queen came out, happy days!

Geordie being corrected by Archie,whatever next lol

I agree with Geordie I reckon it was 76 when the miners came out

 

[Silly Sausage]

No, 76, I would have still just about been legal to interfere with 'miners'.

 

[Geordie Spark]

We'll thank you all for your responses. I'm just home from the job and found the fault behind a Class 1 fitting where the connector block neutral had melted onto the back of the casing. Then I had to fix out the stramash in the two way switches. All sorted now and the install buttoned down and tested.

Apologies for for not responding to all your online splaff but I was too busy making money. How do you guys have so much time to chat on this forum?

Some of us are Gentlemen of leisure and some are retired old gits.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Geordie being corrected by Archie,whatever next lol

I agree with Geordie I reckon it was 76 when the miners came out

Aye well ... I'm still not sure of the year bt it doesn't matter.

It was a stinking hot summer though, and my mate and I worked directly under a glass skylight and the heat was unbearable.

My mate found a bucket of white paint and some brushes one morning so he and I went up on the roof to paint the skylight over. We spent all day up there !!

 

[Silly Sausage]

How do you guys have so much time to chat on this forum?

Some of us are Gentlemen of leisure and some are retired old gits.

1: there's always time!
2: it's cheaper than using the phone.
3: unlike the phone, don't have to answer straight away.
3: where else would you meet such a nice bunch of loonies?

 

[7029 dave]

And some of us just go like the wind or is it gone with the wind?:snore:

 

[Silly Sausage]

And some of us just go like the wind or is it pi$$ing in the wind?:snore:

Fixed....

 

[Geordie Spark]

And some of us just go like the wind or is it gone with the wind?:snore:

And others among us have dreadful wind.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Geordie being corrected by Archie,whatever next lol

I agree with Geordie I reckon it was 76 when the miners came out

I'm not very well ........... I literally fell through the door of the docs surgery at 7-30 yesterday morning. Got some meds but I'm still not quite on form just now.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Geordie being corrected by Archie,whatever next lol

He got me on my spelling recently so I've got to get back!

 

[telectrix]

but fit enough to drive a MR2 from nottingham. hmmmmm.

 

[telectrix]

Geordie being corrected by Archie,whatever next lol

I agree with Geordie I reckon it was 76 when the miners came out

if i rem. correct it was '73. joe gormley was trheir leader then.

 

[Geordie Spark]

but fit enough to drive a MR2 from nottingham. hmmmmm.

That was BEFORE I fell poorly. rrr:

 

[Geordie Spark]

if i rem. correct it was '73. joe gormley was trheir leader then.

Aye .. that was '73 when they socked it to Ted Heath and that's why Thatcher had to have her revenge in '84.

That really hot summer was '76 or '77 though.



In '73 I was working at another place and because of the Miners' Strike, everywhere was working the 3 day week and we were supposed to as well, but the boss said we had our own generator and we did too. It was a little thing powered by a Lister diesel like what drives a builder's cement mixer.

The boss had this little genny parked outside at the reception door and there was a bit of flex from the genny threaded through the letter box and attached to a lamp holder in the reception area. The lamp holder had a 40 watt lamp / bulb in it which flickered dimly.

The rest of the factory carried on regardless because we were on the same feeder as the hospital up the road, so unlike other factories the supply was never switched off.

Anyone passing would hear the putt putt of the genny and see the dim light flickering an leave us alone.

 

[Des 56]

if i rem. correct it was '73. joe gormley was trheir leader then.

By gum thou art reet lad

 

[Silly Sausage]

Indeedly, early 70s for the power cuts, still a young whipper snapper at school then you old farties!
77 was definitely a hot summer.

 

[telectrix]

if i can recall, at the time, a coal face worker earned 4 times as much as a qualified spark. seems not much has changed. but now it's plumbers.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Hahaha...I remember them saying on telly, we can't have us huge beef joints anymore, have to make do on mince.
Mince, mince, bloody luxury!

 

[Geordie Spark]

if i can recall, at the time, a coal face worker earned 4 times as much as a qualified spark. seems not much has changed. but now it's plumbers.

That's true Tel, but would you have swapped places with the miner?

 

[Geordie Spark]

Hahaha...I remember them saying on telly, we can't have us huge beef joints anymore, have to make do on mince.
Mince, mince, bloody luxury!

Stop it with the mince ....... you're reminding me of my son. :32:

 

[longboat]

That'll have been 77, when God Save the Queen came out, happy days!

Ahh, good old seventy seven.
I still say that was the year that made me.
After what seemed like forever my family were'nt surprised when i came out.