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Why announce it, why not just leave and never post again? Or you expecting everyone to ask you to stay?
It's called a flounce
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Why announce it, why not just leave and never post again? Or you expecting everyone to ask you to stay?
Hi Des, there is a saying in our industry that "no 2 sparks work alike".Steve,would you prefer responses that simply agree in all aspects with your views ?
Taking your ball and running because fellow sparks have different attitudes
There may be more cynical opinion of the schemes than what you experience but the well being of our trade is uppermost in all contributors
??Steve, just a question. Having been in the trade for 44 years, how long have you been a scam member?
Hi Des, there is a saying in our industry that "no 2 sparks work alike".
Everyone has their own interpretation of regs etc, but facts are facts. My main point was that you cannot enrol with either Elecsa or NIC without 2391 or equivalent. In the end, one of the guys, who is a QS but without 2391, admitted it was a requirement.
I am not one for taking my ball home, because i enjoy debate, and my opinion is not necessarily fact, but when i state a fact, i usually have something to back it up. I don't ********. I don't need to.
I have been in this industry a lot longer than most, so experience must count for something......so long as its not overuled by the "competent person scheme"!
Thanks for your comments Andy. I am an Elecsa member, and one of the first requirements was 2391. Enough said!The 2391 is not a requirement for membership of elecsa or the niceic that I know of unless you can back that up with some facts.
I know of many that are QS without the 2391. You can contact schemes for their individual requirements of this.
Your experience counts for a lot, just as some without specific qualifications would hope that their lengthy experience would count for something with regard to testing and inspection.
Glad you stayed for the debate. This is a great forum with many experienced and like minded people, the majority of which are for the upkeep and improvement of standards in our industry.
Thanks for your comments Andy. I am an Elecsa member, and one of the first requirements was 2391. Enough said!
I don't feel that my 44 years can give anything to this site, as you all cry "competent person". A short lived relationship, but i won't be back, but thanks to Westwood for backing up my statement about Elecsa requirements.
Thanks for your comments Andy. I am an Elecsa member, and one of the first requirements was 2391. Enough said!
Just taken these requirements off NICEIC site:I used to be an Elecsa member and they never asked about 2391. Enough said ?
Where do they state 2391 on that?Just taken these requirements off NICEIC site:
Scheme Requirements:-
To apply for our Domestic Installer scheme you will need:
ā¢ Confirmation of Public Liability insurance to at least Ā£2m
ā¢ Certificates of technical qualifications achieved by the Qualified Supervisor
ā¢ Hold a current edition of BS 7671 and any other technical reference guides suitable for the work you usually undertake
ā¢ Test equipment in good working order and calibrated
ā¢ 1 installation sites where you have recently completed and certificated the work
Is this like how some electricians interpret the Regs?Just taken these requirements off NICEIC site:
Scheme Requirements:-
To apply for our Domestic Installer scheme you will need:
ā¢ Confirmation of Public Liability insurance to at least Ā£2m
ā¢ Certificates of technical qualifications achieved by the Qualified Supervisor
ā¢ Hold a current edition of BS 7671 and any other technical reference guides suitable for the work you usually undertake
ā¢ Test equipment in good working order and calibrated
ā¢ 1 installation sites where you have recently completed and certificated the work
Thanks for your comments Andy. I am an Elecsa member, and one of the first requirements was 2391. Enough said!
What's up?...nothing strange. You say you're an Elecsa member, I'm only asking when you became a member and if you were a member of another scheme previously. If so, since when? Did you join up for Part P purposes? If you don't want to answer, fair enough.
I seem to recall I got my JIB Approved Electrician status from Electrician, by passing a multiple choice exam in the late 1970's.
Hi Andy, you may be able blag your way through filling in a certificate, but without scheme membership, or qualification, no-one will accept it . Building control aren't going to accept a cert from a non qualified person, and insurance companies will just send it back without a scheme membership number.
Hi Andy, so what you are saying, is that because you are a qualified electrician, you are automatically entitled to fill in a cert to cover the work you have undertaken. Why do you think that BS2391 was introduced? Its a level above 1st and 2nd fix installation. To gain 2391, you need to be able to understand the readings that your test equipment has just given you. You need to be able to correlate the readings, to what might be expected. I'm not trying to decry people from thinking that sparks should be confident in what they have installed, but 2391 gives you lots of mathematical equasions that can qualify your readings. Its not that simple. Thats why 2391 exists!
Hi, have you ever submitted a certificate to Building control or an Insurance company, under your own name?
Fair comment. Try joinin NIC or Elecsa without it.
Hi Andy, NIC, Elecsa and ECA are now owned by Certsure. If you hold 2391, this proves your ability to test and inspect. I don't think having a 17th edition qualification would hack it in court.
I seem to recall there being a full written exam as well
Try telling that to local councils. Especially here in Scotland where Select is more prevalentJust to be clear the NIC aren't the only scheme:
Napit
Stroma
BSI
Elecsa (NIC)
NIC
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