Bonding at sinks?

[SSE]

What is the actual requirement for this now? Quite often I see a 6mm bond between cold and hot pipes in a bathroom sink, en-suite sink & kitchen sink all in the same house, then others you go into only have it at the pipework hot to cold where the main water service earth is? This is in houses that don't have RCD protection on all circuits ie not 17th edition boards. If I come across this in a property and for example I was installing a new circuit would have to bond all the hot to cold pipes underneath the sinks?

 

[Engineer54]

This was the requirements of previous Reg's, so No you would not have to maintain supplementary bonding at sinks, not if you are upgrading to the 17th with RCD protection. But you don't have to remove these bonds either, RCD protected or not!!

 

[Amp David]

Surely if you're doing work in these places then you are upto date with the currents regs surely?

If you are then its easy peasy, isn't it???

 

[danzor]

Sink bonding was in the 15th wasn't it?

 

[Amp David]

Blast from t'past

 

[SSE]

This was the requirements of previous Reg's, so No you would not have to maintain supplementary bonding at sinks, not if you are upgrading to the 17th with RCD protection. But you don't have to remove these bonds either, RCD protected or not!!

But some of the properties I've worked at the board may have no RCD protection but the circuit we're working on is brought up to RCD protection by use of RCBO etc

Surely if you're doing work in these places then you are upto date with the currents regs surely?

If you are then its easy peasy, isn't it???

When your constantly working under different tradesman like I am who all seem to have different opinions it gets a tad confusing. Especially when two pretty experienced tradesmen are telling you one thing different to the other! One of the guys if the board has no RCD ptotection apart from our circuit he bonds all the sinks hot to cold but the other guy in the same situation says theres no need!

 

[Amp David]

Well why listen to any other trades. Its your neck on the line with the work you do, so make it comply and you'll be OK.

Workunder the different trades eveyday myself, and sparkies of a different age to myself, but no matter what they say i do what I do will comply

 

[SSE]

Well why listen to any other trades. Its your neck on the line with the work you do, so make it comply and you'll be OK.

Workunder the different trades eveyday myself, and sparkies of a different age to myself, but no matter what they say i do what I do will comply

Yeah that's why I was asking the question to clarify what id required. Obviously I want all my work to comply and wouldn't want to be taking any shortcuts etc

 

[GLENNSPARK]

well its like on a periodic innit.....if supplementary bonding is in place in a special location (a bathroom for instance) and the board feeding the circuit has no RCD protection then the circuit is a 4 ....take away the supplementary bonding...then its a 2....as is the absence of the supplementary bonding.....

 

[Amp David]

New work is done to 17th edition, so do as per 17 th edition and not as the decorator says lol

 

[SSE]

New work is done to 17th edition, so do as per 17 th edition and not as the decorator says lol

And I'd listen to a decorator why?!

 

[Amp David]

Other trades you say.

If your doning any works within a kitchen the 'part p' comes into it unfortunately, in which case you're compliant with the 17th???

 

[GLENNSPARK]

And I'd listen to a decorator why?!

well a kitchen fitter once started telling me this n that "about electrics"..lol....told him to get some more boxes made up..oops sorry thats units..lol.....

 

[SSE]

Other trades you say.

If your doning any works within a kitchen the 'part p' comes into it unfortunately, in which case you're compliant with the 17th???

I said under tradesmen, meaning under different electricians not other trades, lol.

 

[Amp David]

OK then who signing it off?

If its youmake sure it complies, if its one of your budies, do the work then let them sign for it.

Happy Days!

 

[SSE]

OK then who signing it off?

If its youmake sure it complies, if its one of your budies, do the work then let them sign for it.

Happy Days!

Sorry I should have explained it a bit more, I'm an apprentice so obviously I'm not signing off the work my tradesman whoever that is at the time does that. I was asking the question more for personal knowledge rather than one job in particuar!

 

[Amp David]

What year apprentice? An apprentice usually has some overseeing their work for occasions like this.

 

[SSE]

2nd, I do have someone overseeing that's not the problem, the problem is I'm being told different things by different tradesmen (electrical) in similar situations so obviously someone is telling me the wrong thing. I could easily just go along with what each tells me but I'd rather know I'm doing something right.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

whoever is the one that is responsible for you is the one you listen to...

 

[SSE]

whoever is the one that is responsible for you is the one you listen to...

Yes I do. But one day electrician A in the situation described tells me one thing & then electrician B whilst working I am working with him in the same situation tells me the opposite. The thing is they both can't be right and I'd rather do things the correct way.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

well who`s the senior of them two?....seems strange though that you get conflicting info from em......one of ems bound to be wrong and on somrthing like bonding n all......best way is to each one about "exported PME" or something like that....see which one seems more clued up about it........

 

[SSE]

well who`s the senior of them two?....seems strange though that you get conflicting info from em......one of ems bound to be wrong and on somrthing like bonding n all......best way is to each one about "exported PME" or something like that....see which one seems more clued up about it........

They are both just regular tradesman with roughly the same amounts of years experience!

 

[Knobhead]

......best way is to each one about "exported PME" or something like that....see which one seems more clued up about it........

Oh for gods sake NO!

PLEASE I beg you NO!

 

[SSE]

Right here's a situation for example: a new boiler circuit is being installed. The consumer unit has mcb's, with no RCD protection at all. We install an rcbo for our circuit. The kitchen sink has the main 10mm earth at it above the stopcock clamped on to the cold pipe and then linked onto the hot. There's another sink in the bathroom where there is no earth link between cold and hote pipes, does it require a link to be put in, yes or no?

 

[Engineer54]

If the bathroom installation doesn't comply with the current 17th ed of the Reg's, then bathroom supplementary bonding is still a requirement. Remember that you are dealing with an installation that was constructed to a previous Reg requirement....

 

[yellowvanman]

Right here's a situation for example: a new boiler circuit is being installed. The consumer unit has mcb's, with no RCD protection at all. We install an rcbo for our circuit. The kitchen sink has the main 10mm earth at it above the stopcock clamped on to the cold pipe and then linked onto the hot. There's another sink in the bathroom where there is no earth link between cold and hote pipes, does it require a link to be put in, yes or no?

You're not doing any work in the bathroom (or are you?) in which case you don't need to consider the bonding in there, you're requirement is to ensure there is main water bonding and any other extraneous condustors (gas, ol and metalwork) are bonded.

 

[polo1]

Gallagher, what you are describing is a common problem faced particularly by apprentices. You'll be doing yourself a big favour by getting a hold of the updated Regs and spending time reading and understanding "bite-sized" chunks. Issues like supp bonding have always caused confusion (a bit like exporting PME!!!), so it's always good to have actually read the Regulations.

As said in an earlier post, on the job you have to do what you are told to do by your supervising sparks (unless it's truley dangerous!), but keep asking the questions and querying what you don't think is correct - there's many a qualified spark who gets an approach firmly fixed in their mind as being the correct one....and it's not!

Good luck with completing your apprenticeship...it's initially a bit butt-clenching when it's your name that goes on the cert!

Regards.

 

[a1guvner]

Gallagher, what you are describing is a common problem faced particularly by apprentices. You'll be doing yourself a big favour by getting a hold of the updated Regs and spending time reading and understanding "bite-sized" chunks. Issues like supp bonding have always caused confusion (a bit like exporting PME!!!), so it's always good to have actually read the Regulations.

As said in an earlier post, on the job you have to do what you are told to do by your supervising sparks (unless it's truley dangerous!), but keep asking the questions and querying what you don't think is correct - there's many a qualified spark who gets an approach firmly fixed in their mind as being the correct one....and it's not!

Good luck with completing your apprenticeship...it's initially a bit butt-clenching when it's your name that goes on the cert!

Regards.

Interpretation can be a mare

 

[trev]

Isn't there a diagram of how it should be done in approved document P?