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Certsure, ECA and Electrical Safety First (ESF) have worked together to develop plans to raise standards across the industry. The trio are the driving force behind proposals to change the ways competence within the industry is measured. While the electrotechnical industry prides itself on a robust approach to competence and safety, and indeed

has an excellent safety record, there is always more that can be done. Driving up standards of electrotechnical work is a fundamental objective if the sector is to thrive in the years ahead.

As leading bodies in the industry, Certsure, ECA and ESF have worked together to develop a blueprint which we believe will ensure that only qualified individuals with the right knowledge, skills and understanding are deemed competent to undertake electrotechnical work. This approach will help to drive up standards, works for industry, and aligns with Government policy on technical education standards and competence.

We have put forward proposals to simplify yet strengthen entry requirements into the industry, and ensure consistency across all registration and certification bodies. This aligns with our thinking that all applicants to a scheme should be from one of two routes: the apprenticeship route, or the experienced worker route.

The proposals will ensure that individuals seeking to become a qualified supervisor or electrical operative undertaking periodic inspection must have the following:

• an electrotechnical apprenticeship (or proscribed alternative)

• a minimum of two years’ experience

• a recognised knowledge of the latest Wiring Regulations

• be well versed in inspection and testing electrotechnical installations

The proposal is fairly straightforward to implement for new applications. However, there remains a challenge for existing registrants. Our proposal is that there must be proportionate quality management systems, for new and existing registrants, in place for demonstrating business process and operative competence. This would need to be assessed in situ as part of the ongoing assessment process by registration and certification body assessors.

We believe that this proposal is the best way to properly ensure the competence of the registered organisation, qualified supervisors, and operatives undertaking electrotechnical work and provide the consumer protections that are required.

ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS Electrical Trainee WOULD END
 
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Pete999

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Certsure, ECA and Electrical Safety First (ESF) have worked together to develop plans to raise standards across the industry. The trio are the driving force behind proposals to change the ways competence within the industry is measured. While the electrotechnical industry prides itself on a robust approach to competence and safety, and indeed

has an excellent safety record, there is always more that can be done. Driving up standards of electrotechnical work is a fundamental objective if the sector is to thrive in the years ahead.

As leading bodies in the industry, Certsure, ECA and ESF have worked together to develop a blueprint which we believe will ensure that only qualified individuals with the right knowledge, skills and understanding are deemed competent to undertake electrotechnical work. This approach will help to drive up standards, works for industry, and aligns with Government policy on technical education standards and competence.

We have put forward proposals to simplify yet strengthen entry requirements into the industry, and ensure consistency across all registration and certification bodies. This aligns with our thinking that all applicants to a scheme should be from one of two routes: the apprenticeship route, or the experienced worker route.

The proposals will ensure that individuals seeking to become a qualified supervisor or electrical operative undertaking periodic inspection must have the following:

• an electrotechnical apprenticeship (or proscribed alternative)

• a minimum of two years’ experience

• a recognised knowledge of the latest Wiring Regulations

• be well versed in inspection and testing electrotechnical installations

The proposal is fairly straightforward to implement for new applications. However, there remains a challenge for existing registrants. Our proposal is that there must be proportionate quality management systems, for new and existing registrants, in place for demonstrating business process and operative competence. This would need to be assessed in situ as part of the ongoing assessment process by registration and certification body assessors.

We believe that this proposal is the best way to properly ensure the competence of the registered organisation, qualified supervisors, and operatives undertaking electrotechnical work and provide the consumer protections that are required.

ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS Electrical Trainee WOULD END
Be good if it were to be Policed properly and robustly, so would this proposal do away with Domestic Installers then?
 
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not exactly clear but niceic etc would fight to block it as it ends the cash cow that is Electrical Trainee training etc, 2 years min to test i wondered if that would mean 3rd party cert for all Electrical Trainee works. due to my current research i am reading and researching all the up to date and proposed legislation etc
 

remedial

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"• an electrotechnical apprenticeship (or proscribed alternative)"

another course and registration fee to boost profits!
 

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Hope it happens and the sooner the better.

Schemes will Block this as it will wipe out 50 percent of their members or prospective members immeditly.
 

remedial

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i guess having the 2391 or equivalent will be enough to satisfy their requirements.

this should have always been the case anyway. i believe as it stands literally anyone can issue an eicr
 

Pete999

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"• an electrotechnical apprenticeship (or proscribed alternative)"

another course and registration fee to boost profits!
Agree what would the "proscribed alternative" entail? and who or what organisation would be responsible ensuring this was/is feasible.
 

Pete999

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Hope it happens and the sooner the better.

Schemes will Block this as it will wipe out 50 percent of their members or prospective members immeditly.
Agree it will be a financial loss to the Schemes, but they have bee operating with the current format for years, and as far as I can see people with little understanding of the consequences these training schemes have on our industry, what is needed if this is to make changes is someone upfront, not interested or guided purely for financial gain, so again how is this going to work?
 
You state our and we in #1 suggesting you are involved in this or are you citing a statement from the parties involved.
 

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Be good if it were to be Policed properly and robustly, so would this proposal do away with Domestic Installers then?
No it won't do away with domestic installers, that scheme will still be needed by the thousands of electricians who only need registration for the purposes of part P.
 

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Certsure, ECA and Electrical Safety First (ESF) have worked together to develop plans to raise standards across the industry. The trio are the driving force behind proposals to change the ways competence within the industry is measured. While the electrotechnical industry prides itself on a robust approach to competence and safety, and indeed

has an excellent safety record, there is always more that can be done. Driving up standards of electrotechnical work is a fundamental objective if the sector is to thrive in the years ahead.

As leading bodies in the industry, Certsure, ECA and ESF have worked together to develop a blueprint which we believe will ensure that only qualified individuals with the right knowledge, skills and understanding are deemed competent to undertake electrotechnical work. This approach will help to drive up standards, works for industry, and aligns with Government policy on technical education standards and competence.

We have put forward proposals to simplify yet strengthen entry requirements into the industry, and ensure consistency across all registration and certification bodies. This aligns with our thinking that all applicants to a scheme should be from one of two routes: the apprenticeship route, or the experienced worker route.

The proposals will ensure that individuals seeking to become a qualified supervisor or electrical operative undertaking periodic inspection must have the following:

• an electrotechnical apprenticeship (or proscribed alternative)

• a minimum of two years’ experience

• a recognised knowledge of the latest Wiring Regulations

• be well versed in inspection and testing electrotechnical installations

The proposal is fairly straightforward to implement for new applications. However, there remains a challenge for existing registrants. Our proposal is that there must be proportionate quality management systems, for new and existing registrants, in place for demonstrating business process and operative competence. This would need to be assessed in situ as part of the ongoing assessment process by registration and certification body assessors.

We believe that this proposal is the best way to properly ensure the competence of the registered organisation, qualified supervisors, and operatives undertaking electrotechnical work and provide the consumer protections that are required.

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What and how will your proposal agree to a recognised knowledge of the Regulations? the latest updates because all that carp teaches you is how to read the book and more importantly bases the course on the latest new amendment or Regulation updates, more of a money making scam for whoever.
 
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I agree but reading what they put out gives a insight into how they propose to make their next buck ,I’m looking at quality of works, eicrs frequency skills gaps etc not specific the this article , I just thought it was interesting to see diffrent bodies trying to push the powers that be to make changes in there chosen direction
 
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Pete999

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No it won't do away with domestic installers, that scheme will still be needed by the thousands of electricians who only need registration for the purposes of part P.
Dave I was under the impression that the object of MG201's scheme/plan call it what you will/was is to put a stop to these ridiculous things like Part P qualifications, I don't know, not sure of the proposals MG 201 has in mind, he hasn't given any details as yet, so it was just an off the cuff question.
 
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Dave I was under the impression that the object of MG201's scheme/plan call it what you will/was is to put a stop to these ridiculous things like Part P qualifications, I don't know, not sure of the proposals MG 201 has in mind, he hasn't given any details as yet, so it was just an off the cuff question.
the above is an article I found relating to the issue as previously said to me it reads of the 3 bodies mentioned in said article battling for government ear to push their own agenda over the others, I may be wrong but that’s way I read it
 
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