House Renovation, Couple of electrical issues i need clearing up.

[Kate]

You need to get an electrician in to see. There are so many other factors that could change a decision. We cant give yes or no answers on here in case there is something in place that we haven't been told about and therefore our answer could be wrong...if we give you advice without seeing it could end up being very dangerous.

 

[Zebra Stripe]

Tell ya wot Makken me old mukka, if you can guess what colour pants Ive got on, in three guesses, I'll explain what telextrics has already told you.

 

[makken]

Hi Makken,

You would not write on a gas fitter's forum for help to move the gas as you know it is a dangerous thing to do.

Tens of thousands more people are harmed through electricity than gas, that is the reason why reading about something and asking questions can never take the place of formal qualifications and years of experience.

Get a qualified Part P registered electrican to SEE the task at hand and he will tell you.

Yes it may cost you a few quid....but what woudl it cost you if you did not?

The problem with you guys is you are to elitist, its a fact that thousands of people not just in this country but all over the world will and do carry out work that break laws and regulations and quite frankly there is nothing any of you guys can do that will stop that?, i must say i've enjoyed this thread, i was hoping for some comments from people with a sense of humour, all i can say is i will get my information just not on this forum but there are plenty more, no hard feelings ay :shades_smile:.

 

[makken]

Tell ya wot Makken me old mukka, if you can guess what colour pants Ive got on, in three guesses, I'll explain what telextrics has already told you.

On this occasion Zebra i think i'll politely decline getting into a stupid remarks rant with you as its obvious to me you are trying very hard to make yourself look good and protect you forum buddies, oh and i see you desperately need to up that post count, see ya.

 

[Andy78]

The problem with you guys is you are to elitist, its a fact that thousands of people not just in this country but all over the world will and do carry out work that break laws and regulations and quite frankly there is nothing any of you guys can do that will stop that?, i must say i've enjoyed this thread, i was hoping for some comments from people with a sense of humour, all i can say is i will get my information just not on this forum but there are plenty more, no hard feelings ay :shades_smile:.

Elitist you may call this forum. But to give advice that may encourage someone to do work which is beyond their skillset and potentially dangerous is wrong, morally and professionally.
Yes plenty people break the rules every day, and no we can't stop that. What we can avoid however is being responsible for such ignorant disregard.

 

[Tridentsystems]

Then go ahead and dabble makken. If you can't identify cables sizes etc then I can sell you a load of 25 mm

 

[Zebra Stripe]

Just out of interest, did you read post 5?
As for the socket question, I found it hard to understand what you wrote (although I do understand what your getting at). How do you know its a ring?

 

[UNG]

The problem with you guys is you are to elitist,

For "elitist" read "safety conscience" I personally don't want to read in the press that someone has been killed after electrical work was carried out by some chancer that got his advice from a forum. Not quite sure what it takes to get this through to you as you seem to preoccupied with getting knocked back

its a fact that thousands of people not just in this country but all over the world will and do carry out work that break laws and regulations and quite frankly there is nothing any of you guys can do that will stop that?,

You are quite correct but by not giving advice we are clear of any litigation that may possibly occur should someone be killed by your DIY electrics

i must say i've enjoyed this thread, i was hoping for some comments from people with a sense of humour, all i can say is i will get my information just not on this forum but there are plenty more, no hard feelings ay :shades_smile:.

Not sure what sort of humour you want when you come on here asking a serious question

Hope to see you on another forum soon alot of us don't just come on this forum so no hard feelings if you get the same answer :shades_smile:

 

[dan86]

*removed*

 

[DPG]

Makken, Telectrix gave you a good answer right at the beginning, but you seem to have ignored him. You won't get far in life with an attitude like you seem to have. Obviously I may have got you wrong, but this is how you come across.
PS, I'd admit that your keyboard is faulty if I were you - it would save you having to admit you have terrible spelling and grammar.
Daz

 

[Octopus]

Currently doing house renovations and have taken all the plaster/render back to blockwork and removed ceiling in kitchen revealing all the existing electrics, i have a couple of issues with the electrics i need clearing up before/if i have to call an electrician in before i can carry on work.

1. Firstly we have a PME TN-C-S System 60/80 415v supply and from what i have read (wiring regs and other literature) Reg 544.1.1 Table 54.8 says if the supply neutral conductor is less than 35mm2 or less the minimum main protective bonding conductor should be a minimum of 10mm2, the problem is i cannot see any markings of the earths size on any of the wire and don't know if there is any way of telling from measuring the thickness of the sheath but from what it looks like (pic below) the small section of earth from the supply to main earth terminal looks like 16mm2 and from the main earth terminal to consumer earth terminal and from there to gas and water it looks like 6mm2, if it is 6mm2 which i'm sure it is as i have compared it to a bit of marked 6mm2 wire i have then is this ok to leave as it is or should i have it upgraded to 10mm2 ?.

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2. Secondly there is a single switched socket under the worktop kitchen sink (drainer side) obviously for a washing machine/ dishwasher, its where we are going to have our washing machine. I've noticed this socket in not a spur and is a ring main socket straight from another ring main double socket, my question is if we are going to use this for a washing machine should there be a isolating switch or FCU wired before the socket above the worktop?.

Let me ask you a question - are you in England or Wales? and if so how are you proposing to deal with LABC?

 

[GMES]

Is it just me or as anyone else picked up on the fact that the op seems to be quoting regs and supply characteristics pretty well for a non sparky think this is a wind up , how would joe public no what regs and tables to reference

 

[Kate]

I've had customers who swot up on regs to talk about the job with me

 

[Kate]

If this guy wants to do it himself let him. We have all done the right thing here. When you read in the paper next month about a diy-er whos house caught fire and his family hopefully got out alive..lets hope its not makken

 

[GMES]

I've had customers who swot up on regs to talk about the job with me

I had not thought about it like that Kate, fair point just seemed strange at 1st glance that he couldn't tell the difference between 6mm & 10mm but could quote the regs.

 

[Octopus]

When people come on here, and don't give the complete story and there are "holes" in what they say, they shouldn't be surprised when they get shot down.

There are too many chancers who we need to decline to give advice to, and from what I've read on this thread, this is exactly how we should deal with this one.

NO MORE ADVICE!

 

[GMES]

It as just become clear now! Makken is a plumber, just looked at some of his previous post's it all makes sense now :77::77: