New road tax system

[GMES]

So I Receive a reminder yesterday telling me both the vans were due at the beginning of December and this is my last chance to pay before I presume I get fined. My question is have I missed the original letter or do they not remind you now when it is due, Are we now expected to remember when it's due for renewal. Also how come if it was due at the beginning that they have allowed until the end of december without a fine.

I miss the tax disc already, it was much easier having a constant reminder in the windscreen.

 

[Octopus]

I think the tax disc should be reintroduced ASAP - I'm still displaying the "expired" one!

 

[GMES]

I still don't know though whether they expect us to know when it's due or if they still notify you when it's due Clive can you shine any light on it.

 

[Octopus]

Even though we received the reminder for the misses car last month for the December renewal, I only remembered the tax disc on the 18th of December - nice and easy on line - but why can't they just send out a tax disc?

I think this change is assuming everybody has the vehicle registered at the correct address and we are all law abiding!

 

[tazz]

Pay mine monthly by DD, easier option

 

[Blademan_98]

Pay mine monthly by DD, easier option

Me too so no reminder required. You just keep paying until you get rid of the vehicle.

 

[GMES]

The thing that I find strange is I have been driving for a month with no tax and have not been pulled once or fined so it does seem like a flawed system. I could understand if having failed to tax it that it then went onto the database and triggered anpr's etc but it seems it is going to work in the favour of the tax dodgers, while the honest drivers keep paying when they could probably not bother.

 

[Blademan_98]

I reported two cars parked outside my house that (according to the gov website) were SORN. Three weeks later they clamped the remaining vehicle and the owner must have paid the fine because they released it the next day!!!
It's a farce really.

 

[GMES]

That's the thing with the tax disc in a windscreen it shows you what you need to know, Don't get me wrong I know technology advances and I am all for that but why try to fix something that isn't broke unless of course you're a Plumber.

 

[newtothis]

Very expensive specialist job to print tax discs.
I wonder what they'll blow the money they saved on.

 

[uksparks]

I pay by DD, set it up and forget about it.

 

[hightower]

If you ask me, the tax disc way was archaic and should have been scrapped years, if not decades, ago. New system is much easier even if it means we're gonna have to drag a few people kicking and screaming. And yes, we certainly are a nation of moaners.

 

[davesparks]

If you ask me, the tax disc way was archaic and should have been scrapped years, if not decades, ago. New system is much easier even if it means we're gonna have to drag a few people kicking and screaming. And yes, we certainly are a nation of moaners.

But it worked, the new system is no better, and possibly a little worse.

 

[hightower]

But it worked, the new system is no better, and possibly a little worse.

My dad's 15th edition board works too, but we all know there are improvements in store to be had. Yeah the new tax system hasn't been without its teething problems, but it's definitely a step in the right direction in my eyes.

 

[Geordie Spark]

I think the tax disc should be reintroduced ASAP - I'm still displaying the "expired" one!

Me too - on the MR2

I took it off the Celica & is seems all wrong not seeing it there. :hump:

 

[Geordie Spark]

Very expensive specialist job to print tax discs.
I wonder what they'll blow the money they saved on.

Helping the victims of the floods, but it's more likely to be already winging its way to some tin-pot dictator's Swiss Bank account.

 

[ruston]

But the moment you hand over the cash for the car you have travelled 100 miles to buy is technically not taxed , although the paper work is not through you are still breaking the law driving it. Right?

 

[GMES]

But the moment you hand over the cash for the car you have travelled 100 miles to buy is technically not taxed , although the paper work is not through you are still breaking the law driving it. Right?

This was my point I have technically been driving for a month with no road tax ( not intentially obviously ) and nothing as happened. I am curious now though whether I will get a full 6 months or whether I will lose a month due to the late payment.

 

[hightower]

This was my point I have technically been driving for a month with no road tax ( not intentially obviously ) and nothing as happened. I am curious now though whether I will get a full 6 months or whether I will lose a month due to the late payment.

The thing that gets me is its supposedly a modern system but we still work in months. If I buy a car on the 25th I will have to pay a months tax for 5 days motoring which is wrong. There's no reason our new system shouldn't be able to handle everyone's months starting on different days.

 

[snowhead]

This was my point I have technically been driving for a month with no road tax ( not intentially obviously ) and nothing as happened. I am curious now though whether I will get a full 6 months or whether I will lose a month due to the late payment.

The new tax period will start from when the old one expired.

You can't be fined until the start of the next month, (you never could be) as you may pay up on the last day.

Previously you would have been fined for Failure to display, but that can't happen anymore.

 

[GMES]

Cheers Snowhead.

 

[snowhead]

You can opt for an email acknowledgement of payment as you always could with Online.
Comes like this; (but with numbers on it..)


Confirmation of vehicle tax.

Thank you for using DVLA Vehicle Licensing Online.
Your application for vehicle tax has been successful.

Vehicle Registration Number:
Reference Number:
Application Made On: 10/10/2015 09:07:50
Vehicle Tax Period: 12 months
Vehicle Tax Amount Paid: GBP 290.00
Last 4 Digits of Payment Card:

The law has changed, you do not need to display a tax disc, therefore we will not issue one to you.

You may wish to save or print this email confirmation for your record

 

[Deleted member 72666]

The thing that gets me is its supposedly a modern system but we still work in months. If I buy a car on the 25th I will have to pay a months tax for 5 days motoring which is wrong. There's no reason our new system shouldn't be able to handle everyone's months starting on different days.

The way I understand it is, if you buy a car say in the middle of the month that hasn't been sorned ie still taxed then the new owner wont need to pay for the road fund licence for that month as technically the vehicle is still taxed, meanwhile the previous owner can only claim for full months that remain and not any part months.
I may be wrong of course, but my apprentice recently purchased a car with a week's still left to run and was unable to purchase any road tax until the following month. It makes perfect sense to me.

 

[hightower]

The way I understand it is, if you buy a car say in the middle of the month that hasn't been sorned ie still taxed then the new owner wont need to pay for the road fund licence for that month as technically the vehicle is still taxed, meanwhile the previous owner can only claim for full months that remain and not any part months.
I may be wrong of course, but my apprentice recently purchased a car with a week's still left to run and was unable to purchase any road tax until the following month. It makes perfect sense to me.

I was of the understanding the vehicle is untaxed the second the keys change hands and therefore needs taxing before driving away

Just looked here and you definitely have to buy tax before driving (as in you won't get the remainder of the month as your apprentice thought)
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-changes

 

[Deleted member 72666]

I was off the understanding the vehicle is untaxed the second the keys change hands and therefore needs taxing before driving away

But the dvla/vosa don't yet know that the vehicle has changed hands therefore you'll be unable to tax it again during a 'taxed month'.

 

[hightower]

But the dvla/vosa don't yet know that the vehicle has changed hands therefore you'll be unable to tax it again during a 'taxed month'.

When you phone/go online you select the option for new keeper and you can tax it. I know because I did this when I bought I my van earlier in the year. Is bought it on the 22nd and was able to tax it

 

[Deleted member 72666]

When you phone/go online you select the option for new keeper and you can tax it. I know because I did this when I bought I my van earlier in the year. Is bought it on the 22nd and was able to tax it

Then may be my apprentice may have taken a different approach, I'll ask him when I go back to work.

 

[andyb]

Mods,

This thread should be merged with another thread.

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...ical-forum/107476-we-just-nation-moaners.html

 

[Barrie Patrick]

So I Receive a reminder yesterday telling me both the vans were due at the beginning of December and this is my last chance to pay before I presume I get fined. My question is have I missed the original letter or do they not remind you now when it is due, Are we now expected to remember when it's due for renewal. Also how come if it was due at the beginning that they have allowed until the end of december without a fine.

I miss the tax disc already, it was much easier having a constant reminder in the windscreen.

Just set up a monthly direct debit, I pay £12.25 on the 1st of each month and all I got as a reminder was an e-mail tellingme that unless I went on line and cancelled it they would continue to take the direct debit for the next 12 months EASY-PEASY ;-)

 

[Deleted member 26818]

The new system is supposed to prevent someone purchasing a taxed vehicle and driving it uninsured.
From what I understand, for the first month, the ANPR system does not automatically pick up vehicles whose tax has run out, although if anyone manually checks the vehicle, it will come up as being untaxed.
When a vehicle is purchased it will show on the system as being taxed, until the paperwork is processed. As soon as the paperwork is processed, it will show as being untaxed from the date of purchase.
If the vehicle is purchased in the middle of a month, the new keeper will have to pay from the beginning of that month, and the old keeper will receive a refund from the end of that month. The Government will make an extra month of tax.
However it is possible for the new keeper to pay from the beginning of the next month, though the system will show that the new keeper should have paid from the beginning of the previous month. It is then up to someone at DVLA to decide whether a fine should be issued
If you do not receive a tax/sorn reminder and a fine is issued, the DVLA will inform you that it is not their responsibility if you do not receive it.
By the same token, if you pop £80 cash into an envelope to pay the fine and DVLA do not receive it, it's not your responsibility if DVLA do not receive it.

 

[newtothis]

All I know is you could buy a motor with say 12months MOT and 6months tax (transferable) now you can't.
And as far as I know the seller can't get their full 6months back either.

Having a little moan - I think it takes the rip roaring hiss that mini cab drivers don't have to pay road tax cos they have low ommission vehicles.
They're still using the roads more than your average punter, and they are generally more of a PITA.

Is non payment of road tax a car crushable offence ?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Yes they can impound your vehicle, charge you storage then crush it and also charge you for that.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Yes they can impound your vehicle, charge you storage then crush it and also charge you for that.

The ability to take a joke is a prerequisite to being a resident in this God awful country nowadays.

 

[GMES]

Mods,

This thread should be merged with another thread.

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...ical-forum/107476-we-just-nation-moaners.html

Why is that then, I started both threads about 2 seperate topics so why would they get merged.

 

[hightower]

Why is that then, I started both threads about 2 seperate topics so why would they get merged.

I think it was tongue in cheek, another way of saying we are definitely a nation of moaners

 

[GMES]

Oh ok I haven't had enough coffee this morning.

 

[andyb]

Why is that then, I started both threads about 2 seperate topics so why would they get merged.

That was a joke Gmes, I never presume to tell the mods their job.

I clicked on a thread entitled new road tax system and read post after post of moans.

Happy new year.

 

[GMES]

That was a joke Gmes, I never presume to tell the mods their job.

I clicked on a thread entitled new road tax system and read post after post of moans.

Happy new year.

Apologies Andy I didn't mean to reply like that, I haven't been up long which isn't good for me I don't like these late nights and not having to get up early, I'm used to being on the move from 6am.
See I'm moaning again lol you may have been right the 1st time :tounge_smile:

 

[Midwest]

Yep the death of the road tax disc has caused a slump in the sales of Guinness beer mats.

Interestingly in April 2017, there are changes afoot to the road tax rate, for newly registered cars. My Missus car road tax is currently £20 a year, thank you very much, cos of it's 108 g/km emissions. Same car registered in April 2017 will cost you £140.

And if you stupid enough to buy a car costing £40,000 (or you can and you don't care two hoots), your pay a supplement £310 (for 5 years). The other gas guzzlers will pay a higher fee in first year of registration, and then revert back to the £140 fee.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vehicle-excise-duty/vehicle-excise-duty


:dizzy2:

 

[andyb]

Apologies Andy I didn't mean to reply like that, I haven't been up long which isn't good for me I don't like these late nights and not having to get up early, I'm used to being on the move from 6am.
See I'm moaning again lol you may have been right the 1st time :tounge_smile:

Absolutely no worries,

Would it help if I gave you a call at 6 tomorrow morning?