No earth on lighting circuit

[Lucien Nunes]

Remember you are there to test as the edition it was wired at.

Well that could be awkward! What if I find a double-pole switchfuse installed under the 11th edition, that has had its neutral solid-linked to comply with later editions. So I have to test to the 11th edition and give it a C2 for having its neutral fuse bypassed, but at the same time give an advisory that the neutral fuse should be bypassed. Lol.

 

[loz2754]

The client will do as he pleases no matter the given report. but most will get the new upgrades.

It's irrelevant what the client does with the report. We can only advise.

 

[Pete999]

The client will do as he pleases no matter the given report. but most will get the new upgrades.

If the Client has the required information, and does nowt, then the Client deserves the fallout come sale time, as long as the report states the problems that are present, the reporter is in the clear, job done, end of, story over.

 

[moose]

I think you are reading to much into the sentences.

My logic is new 18th edition when testing. see what has changed or is unsafe.
Then make the report.

 

[7029 dave]

I think you are reading to much into the sentences.

My logic is new 18th edition when testing. see what has changed or is unsafe.
Then make the report.

I think you are reading to much into the sentences.

My logic is new 18th edition when testing. see what has changed or is unsafe.
Then make the report.

But your post#8 don't say that, anyway if you have learnt something today then that is good isn't it, condition reports are complex with installations ranging through the decades.

 

[moose]

I haven't learned anything from people reading to much into what I have typed. ?
Oh hang on, I need to maybe try to get my understanding so you also understand it.

Probably wont happen, but Ill have fun trying.

You have a great sense of humour that I can see from these pages here.

I will I am sure learn something from other points in the forums else where.

 

[Midwest]

Anyway, back to the original post. Didn't do EICR's and this subject has been done to death.

ESF Best Practise Guide 4 gives guidance on this very subject. This one I've linked here, seems to have removed the ambiguity between 10.7 and their flow chart, that previous ones had. No reference to a domestic property not being a installation under supervision. Perhaps ESF changed it after all the emails & calls they had about 10.7 ?

 

[westward10]

You shouldn't really need a Guide book. Earthing is a requirement for ADS so with this missing you have the risk of electric shock.

 

[Midwest]

You shouldn't really need a Guide book. Earthing is a requirement for ADS so with this missing you have the risk of electric shock.

We need all forms of literature to learn a subject.

 

[Ian1981]

I think that the best practice guide is a good form of guidance and is worth a read for anyone involved with inspection and testing but I think westward maybe referring to the fact that inspectors rely too much on it and should refer more to bs7671?

 

[westward10]

ADS is a fundamental principle of safety you shouldn't need a Guide to indicate the importance of a missing cpc.

 

[telectrix]

even if class 2 fittings are used, a fault L-exposed part (metal back box) will not be detected.faceplate screws in switches coud be at 240V causing injury or death. this used to be addressed by fitting back boxes with plastic lugs back in the 60. definitely a C2.

on a side note, just fitted an extremely expensive LED chandelier. 16kG.in weight. although the driver is clearly marked class 2 SELV, earth leads are provided to the metal casing and to the ceiling bracket. ( the only 240V in the fitting is direct to the driver in sheathed cable.

 

[Midwest]

I think that the best practice guide is a good form of guidance and is worth a read for anyone involved with inspection and testing but I think westward maybe referring to the fact that inspectors rely too much on it and should refer more to bs7671?

Clearly for some it indeed is a good read.

I don‘t think BS7671 gives very clear guidance IMO. It’s just a book with regulations. That’s why there’s a plethora of other publications and why the exam for each new addition is a farce, just testing someones ability on how to use its contents and index pages.

The other publications are a bit more descriptive for us less intelligent, no offence meant. ?

 

[Mike Johnson]

the exam for each new addition is a farce, just testing someones ability on how to use its contents and index pages.

That's what all exams are, just a test to know if the examined reaches their limit of knowledge they know how to find out the relevant information.

 

[Midwest]

That's what all exams are, just a test to know if the examined reaches their limit of knowledge they know how to find out the relevant information.

When I returned to the industry a few years ago, I paid to go on a 3 day C&G 17th course with my local training college, thinking it would bring me up to speed. I didn't think for one minute it would educate me over all the changes since I'd left, but a flavour of things. We had a very good 5 minute introduction to the course. But after that it went down hill. We could of been looking at Fanny Cradock's 100 top recipes, for all the instruction I was given.

By contrast, I later went on a commercial training establishment, for initial inspection & testing, far more informative.

If I was told a 3 day course for CG 2382, will tell you how to use a contents & index for a book, I would of done the 1 day course.