nvq level 3 am2

[jamesie]

trying to get jib card, got 2360 part 1 and 2, 17th edition and 2391.working as a spark for 30 years.

References from 3 jib approved companies i have worked for as a subby. jib would only give me a trainee card.

saying i need am2 or nvq level 3, looked at doing the am2 apparently testing and inspecting is part of it whats the point of doing the same thing twice.

seems stupid to me, anyway round it.

 

[Plonker 3]

Your about 2 weeks too late, as before end of last year you would only have needed the NVQ which you could have done through forum sponser XS training but the requirements have since changed so you now also need the AM2

 

[Welchyboy1]

Your about 2 weeks too late, as before end of last year you would only have needed the NVQ which you could have done through forum sponser XS training but the requirements have since changed so you now also need the AM2

Makes a nice change someones actually increasing their requirements rather than watering them down

 

[newtothis]

NVQ3 Blimey is that all one needs to be a fully qualified spark. LOL

 

[Plonker 3]

Makes a nice change someones actually increasing their requirements rather than watering them down

But the AM2 is now very watered down, think its more a money making excercise rather than a education thing.

 

[7029 dave]

trying to get jib card, got 2360 part 1 and 2, 17th edition and 2391.working as a spark for 30 years.

References from 3 jib approved companies i have worked for as a subby. jib would only give me a trainee card.

saying i need am2 or nvq level 3, looked at doing the am2 apparently testing and inspecting is part of it whats the point of doing the same thing twice.

seems stupid to me, anyway round it.

I don't believe it, with your quals an experience, tell them to stick their card.!!

 

[jase]

trying to get jib card, got 2360 part 1 and 2, 17th edition and 2391.


Snap. And they gave me an ancillary operative card, with my JIB grade being electrical labourer.

I wouldnt give give a ---- if it was just that anyone you work for might want to see you certs, but in some sites the site foreman won't let you near electrics with that title on your CSCS as all they see is the word labourer. Takes the absolute urine.

 

[rmc86uk]

If you work for agency they will pay you based on the grade of the card. Usually around £9.50 for mates and £14 for Electricians. Both crap rates anyway but £4.50 an hour difference is a lot. If I was you I would get what you need to get the full card.

 

[Engineer54]

A proven 30 years experience across the board trumps any NVQ 3 and AM2 qualifications hands down!! It was also the reasoning behind the term ''Grandfather Rights'' for obtaining JIB/SJIB trade cards....

They only needed to bring about NVQ's in the first place, because the standard of training apprentices were falling well below what had been seen as acceptable levels of work skills entering the workplace....

 

[old_sparky_RE]

I'm trying to transfer from SJIB to JIB and have had no joy from JIB on doing so, as in, I emailed them over a week ago and no one has contacted me back with information.
My worry is that my trade qualls are similar (C&G 2369 C) to Jamesie but with 26 years experience so they won't transfer me over without the AM2.

Any idea's Gents?

 

[Maddison]

the JIB seem to think the NVQ and AM2 are the be all and end all of being an electrician.. its just a shame that you work towards getting a JIB card rather than on a national register...

 

[rmc86uk]

The NVQ along with the AM2 proves that you have the practical experience.

 

[Engineer54]

The NVQ along with the AM2 proves that you have the practical experience.

Unfortunately, neither of them really proves anything of the sort.....

 

[rmc86uk]

I do agree with you E54 but apart from references which I think can be false what else do you think can prove practical competence?

 

[uksparks]

As far as bits of paper go, it's probably about as good as it gets, it's all down to proving yourself from there on.

 

[Engineer54]

I do agree with you E54 but apart from references which I think can be false what else do you think can prove practical competence?

At least references given on company headed paperwork can be checked/authenticated. It would be a very silly move on the company's behalf to give a falsified reference, even for a friend!! You have more chance of a NVQ being falsified than a company's reference.

Unfortunately there is no other way to prove practical competence, the NVQ system as it stands is more of a sticky plaster to cover over what once was expected from all working electricians that had passed through an apprenticeship....

 

[Guest125]

I think the 2360 P1&2 (or whatever it is now) NVQ 2&3 and after a few years the 2391 (or whatever it is now) is enough as far as qualifications go. From then on you will find your market and perfect your skills.

AMT2 is worthless IMHO.

But on top of all this you need people skills, computer literacy, common sense and many other skills that I believe come from an apprentiship.

 

[7029 dave]

The NVQ along with the AM2 proves that you have the practical experience.

Disagree there, any old mug can take an photo as evidence, don't mean to say they done such tasks.

 

[rmc86uk]

What about the AM2 then? What's your opinion on proving practical competence? You should see the numpties I see week in week out on the site I'm on. How do they slip through the net and get on site?

 

[Guest125]

Disagree there, any old mug can take an photo as evidence, don't mean to say they done such tasks.

Yeah. "Proves" is probably the wrong word. I understand what he is trying to say. At the end of the day no Certs "prove" anything. They just show that you passed an exam once.