Part P training . It must be stopped

[Pete999]

I'm a nice guy really @Pete999 .... OK, yes.... I'm an ---...

Don't put yourself down mate, we all like speak our mind sometimes, trouble is I can go far to far and get myself in the Mire, not often but sometimes.

 

[Pete999]

If they where indeed Electricians would that be applied to the title? Domestic Electrician

I'm afraid the title of Electrician has changed, we have Domestic Installer, Domestic, Commercial, Industrial, and now Solar Electricians, I suppose the later ones did their training with Scotty on the Starship Enterprise.?

 

[FatAlan]

Gary. What are the exact details of what you are petitioning parliament for? The link just takes me to a sign in section. I’d like to see the petition details first.

 

[GBDamo]

I think that the scope of what Part P trained domestic installers are allowed to do needs clarifying and probably restricting but, as the BYB only requires a person be competent, ambiguity is built into the system.

For example if, as a DI, your work involves carrying out the same, even complex, task on every job then the training provided by Part P courses can prove sufficient to do the job safely and compliantly.

However if your job requires you to carry out many, even simple, tasks then it is almost impossible for the short courses to provide sufficient knowledge and experience.

In the first instance I would argue you can comfortably demonstrate your competence and in doing so satisfy the requirements of the BYB but in the second you would be very hard pushed to do so.

Rather than throwing the baby out with the bath water I'd say the system need clarification and tightening of the scope.

 

[Spoon]

Don't put yourself down mate, we all like speak our mind sometimes, trouble is I can go far to far and get myself in the Mire, not often but sometimes.

Was just having a laugh mate. I'm fantastic really..... That's why everyone loves me...

 

[Spoon]

I'm afraid the title of Electrician has changed, we have Domestic Installer, Domestic, Commercial, Industrial, and now Solar Electricians, I suppose the later ones did their training with Scotty on the Starship Enterprise.?

Well said mate.
I'd rather get trained on Starship Voyager.. 'Seven of Nine' can teach me any day....

 

[Gary Soulsby]

Gary. What are the exact details of what you are petitioning parliament for? The link just takes me to a sign in section. I’d like to see the petition details first.

It's is regarding the training involved with part p. Specifically the really short 6 day delivery . I will show I hope when over 5 sign . If not I will repost it when the petition goes live

 

[Midwest]

When they stopped handing out apprenticeships like there was no tomorrow, things have had to change. I don't see a problem with someone going on a domestic installers course, if there's such a thing, just to install stuff in kitchens & bathrooms. In an idea world, we would like to back to the days of the 1970's, when you could walk into any company and get an apprenticeship for free. That's no longer the case, and training has to be reflective in that.

If we can no longer afford aircraft carriers a plenty, then apprenticeships are going to be scarce.

 

[The Ghost]

I don't quite understand what your agenda is however your posit that Part P must be stopped is nonsense. No one gets to go onto a competent scheme register with Part P. That is a one day course on building regulations that essentially says if you drill a hole stop it up with either/and/or fireproof/soundproof/weather proof gump.
To be frank wiring a house is not rocket science. Wiring a house to craftsman level takes some years of experience which no course can teach you except the university of life. The science is acknowledged as "basic science" which it is. Are you from some course that wants to do away with the opposition, what is your beef with it all?

 

[Gary Soulsby]

I don't quite understand what your agenda is however your posit that Part P must be stopped is nonsense. No one gets to go onto a competent scheme register with Part P. That is a one day course on building regulations that essentially says if you drill a hole stop it up with either/and/or fireproof/soundproof/weather proof gump.
To be frank wiring a house is not rocket science. Wiring a house to craftsman level takes some years of experience which no course can teach you except the university of life. The science is acknowledged as "basic science" which it is. Are you from some course that wants to do away with the opposition, what is your beef with it all?

Your telling me 23days is sufficient to be able to sign off there own work in a domestic premises ?

Domestic Electrical Installer TS4U-25: Silver - https://www.tradeskills4u.co.uk/courses/domestic-electrician-installer-ts4u25