The Green Deal

[JulianC]

What a f****** shambles.


That is all.

 

[SolarCity]

I'm ashamed to admit that I still don't really understand it......

 

[whinmoor]

I just watched the Daily Politics show on BBC2. Caroline Flint MP was a guest but most of the programmae was spent discussing the NHS rather than FiTs.

 

[JulianC]

I'm ashamed to admit that I still don't really understand it......

Welcome to the club. I believe DECC are members too. The more I read about it the more unanswered (and probably unanswerable) questions it throws up. And the b*llsh*t bingo playing suits on places like LinkedIn seem to have it all sewn up - one-stop-shop providers raking it in, paying installers peanuts for shoddy, quick installations. Small companies or those keen to uphold decent quality standards need not apply..... Still, all the additional hoops we'll be required to jump through to scrape by on PV will keep us busy. Just as well eh?

 

[SRE]

I keep getting the feeling we're going to have to jump through more Green Deal training hoops - surely not???

 

[SRE]

Stroma - Green Deal Customer Journey, Assessment and Installation | Training - Renewable Energy

Proposed customer journey for the Green Deal, interesting site, shows the new EPC too which demonstrated savings that can be achieved over 3 years via energy efficiency and renewables instead of annually. Interesting that the example shows over 2k of savings but at the top but the energy efficiency measures add up to just over 1k. You'd have thought they would have got the example right ....

 

[TedM]

Latest news is of more delay to the launch as the Big 6 say they cannot get the repayments system working in time for October. Being played down by DECC. green deal news | Green Deal launch to be scaled back

 

[SRE]

I'd heard this week that CERT was being extended for 6 months - I assume this is why. I bet green Deal in October will just be insulation the same as the last few years but with a different name.

 

[Energetic]

Heard today from a training provider that if a green Deal assessor recommends the best/most efficient use of the green deal loan is installation of a condensing gas or oil combi it will attract the RHI to pay for the Green deal loan!

 

[SRE]

Looks to me like RHI has been impacted by the Fit shambles. There's been a really poor take up so far.
Ofgem to act over poor RHI uptake | News | Heating and Ventilation News

 

[SRE]

I'm hearing through my grapevine that internal and external wall insulation are going to be the key measures on green Deal and the rest are going to take quite a while to get going ie a couple of years. These are people who are working with DECC, the big 6 and local authorities - they are usually pretty well informed.

 

[Energetic]

Like to see the look on a planners face when an application for external insulation on a listed building comes in...

 

[TedM]

Heard today from a training provider that if a green Deal assessor recommends the best/most efficient use of the green deal loan is installation of a condensing gas or oil combi it will attract the RHI to pay for the Green deal loan!

Did you hear that from a reliable source? I find it incredible. It is completely outside the scope of the RHI as it has been presented so far.

 

[Energetic]

Couldn't believe it myself. We attended a renewables open day at a local training establishment (free pasty and the promise of funding for training) there was seminars on the green deal and the RHI.

The argument apparently is that a new boiler is better than a 20 year old boiler and the only way to get it changed is to provide the RHI so that the green deal loan can be paid off (with an attractive interest rate for tesco/B&Q/big 6 and the rest of them).

Have not heard this anywhere else i must add...

 

[TedM]

DECC released details of an extended RHPP (for domestic RHI) yesterday, coming in from April.

Talking about domestic RHI they also said: "Proposals will be consulted upon in September at which point a firmer timetable for the launch of a scheme will be published, although it is anticipated this will be from summer 2013. Given this, the tariffs set out by the previous government in the consultation document in February 2010 should not be used as a basis for predicting what future support may be."

which to me means that not only will the anticipated RHI rates be slashed but that the Green Deal will be similarly delayed.

Low Carbon Heat Plans Revealed - Department of Energy and Climate Change

 

[SRE]

It's going to be delayed so long it'll become part of their manifesto for election in 2015! How on earth can they be serious about renewable energy with all this prevarication! Green Deal is going to be nothing more than insulation internal and external for the 1st 12 months - a real missed opportunity!

 

[infinity]

Is it not true that Accreditation bodies will be available from next month to enable green deal installers to join and be able to take advantage of carrying out any associated green deal work in properties?

 

[TedM]

I'm sure plenty of accreditation bodies will be queuing up to take your cash.

 

[BruceB]

I am sure they will be.

I spoke with Napit at Ecobuild and got a very clear stear from them that they expect the green deal assessors and those who carry out installations under the green deal to be separate people/businesses. He seemed to think it might be written into the scheme that you can't assess something and then tout for the work.

 

[TedM]

Here's a little insight in to how the Green Deal might go City's Green Deal partner shortlist revealed | birminghamnewsroom.com

No room for small companies.