- Reaction score
- 67,272
Discuss unbelievable. own van and tools for this. in the UK Electrical Forum area at ElectriciansForums.net
The short course guys take a 5 week course and some go on to further training and some work as mates before doing work themselves, I think some of the short course guys are decent fellas and misunderstood, that said not all by any means. The 17 Day wonders are members of the public like school caretakers and shop supervisors who go to a training centre and take a 17 day course. At the end of the course they have "Achieved Part P understanding" some of these people then think they are electricians and think the part p understanding course mean they can undertake electrical work in someones home. Unfortunatley the scams are happy to take their money and allow then to do so as well. The short course guys often get mixed up with the 17 Day course guys and end up getting a slating here, a lot of them justified. But as mentioned IMO some of the 5 week guys do end up as decent sparks after further training, no so the 17 day whizz kids.What are these 17 day wonders you talk about, are they even worse than the Electrical Trainee?
The short course guys take a 5 week course and some go on to further training and some work as mates before doing work themselves, I think some of the short course guys are decent fellas and misunderstood, that said not all by any means. The 17 Day wonders are members of the public like school caretakers and shop supervisors who go to a training centre and take a 17 day course. At the end of the course they have "Achieved Part P understanding" some of these people then think they are electricians and think the part p understanding course mean they can undertake electrical work in someones home. Unfortunatley the scams are happy to take their money and allow then to do so as well. The short course guys often get mixed up with the 17 Day course guys and end up getting a slating here, a lot of them justified. But as mentioned IMO some of the 5 week guys do end up as decent sparks after further training, no so the 17 day whizz kids.
£12.60.......JIB rates arent they
Yup Probably right, I know there are a few good lads here who came the short course route, but I cannot deny you may well be right regarding initial training, I obviously came through the 236 and AM1 and AM2 route so know next to nothing about the short courses except as an employer I have been bombarded several times from training centres regarding how it works etc, I never took much notice of them before and am well aware the part p courses are a total joke. I am still not sure the short electrical courses are the same but hey You are probably correct, lets see what the short course guys say compaired to what a part p 17 dayer says I suppose lol.A bit harsh i know, but then reality and truth normally is!!!
Yup Probably right, I know there are a few good lads here who came the short course route, but I cannot deny you may well be right regarding initial training, I obviously came through the 236 and AM1 and AM2 route so know next to nothing about the short courses except as an employer I have been bombarded several times from training centres regarding how it works etc, I never took much notice of them before and am well aware the part p courses are a total joke. I am still not sure the short electrical courses are the same but hey You are probably correct, lets see what the short course guys say compaired to what a part p 17 dayer says I suppose lol.
Check out the various training sites that offer these 17 day and 5 week courses and you'll see there is no misunderstanding at all. You'll find it's basically the same crap for both, the 5 week'er may come away with a PAT testing certificate, but that's about it!! Both of these short courses are specifically targeted and advertised at those wanting to work as an electrician (Domestic Installer) in the domestic sector. This is the whole point of having a National Register of Qualified Electricians, to put a stop once and for all, to all this back door entry malarky.
There is no place for either of these graduates in our electrical industry as far as i'm concerned. I think you'll find that over 90% of all these back door wannabe's, are sole traders, applying and registering with the part Pee scams within day's of passing out of these fast track training centres. Very few of either, will go on to take further training, and basically without the electrical core qualification and skill training they shouldn't be allowed to work alone in anyone's property.
A bit harsh i know, but then reality and truth normally is!!!
The short course guys take a 5 week course and some go on to further training and some work as mates before doing work themselves, I think some of the short course guys are decent fellas and misunderstood, that said not all by any means. The 17 Day wonders are members of the public like school caretakers and shop supervisors who go to a training centre and take a 17 day course. At the end of the course they have "Achieved Part P understanding" some of these people then think they are electricians and think the part p understanding course mean they can undertake electrical work in someones home. Unfortunatley the scams are happy to take their money and allow then to do so as well. The short course guys often get mixed up with the 17 Day course guys and end up getting a slating here, a lot of them justified. But as mentioned IMO some of the 5 week guys do end up as decent sparks after further training, no so the 17 day whizz kids.
[/B]
Although I agree with most of your post, to make an assumption such as that is a little unfair. What's to stop a guy who's done a 17 day course going into further training? As far as I know, we don't have 17 day course in Scotland but if we did, I'd certainly give one of these guys a chance if I thought he/she had the right attitude and potential. After all, he's the one that's been scammed by the training provider, not you. It's not his fault
[/B]
Although I agree with most of your post, to make an assumption such as that is a little unfair. What's to stop a guy who's done a 17 day course going into further training? As far as I know, we don't have 17 day course in Scotland but if we did, I'd certainly give one of these guys a chance if I thought he/she had the right attitude and potential. After all, he's the one that's been scammed by the training provider, not you. It's not his fault
I dont think anyone is blaming the 17 day/Electrical Trainee......they are being conned into believing they are electricians as E54 has already stated. The problem may well be that these people do NOT go on to further training but straight into the domestic sector where they are a liability,you only have to check out some of the very basic questions which pop up on here every day and are clearly asked by people charging for their services to see that is the case.
Reply to unbelievable. own van and tools for this. in the UK Electrical Forum area at ElectriciansForums.net
We get it, advertisements are annoying!
Sure, ad-blocking software does a great job at blocking ads, but it also blocks useful features of our website. For the best site experience please disable your AdBlocker.