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gary272

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Hi

Been contacted by a church nearby. Wiring is pvc single stranded cables in steel conduit some 30/40years old with a few additions. It looks in reasonable order or as far as I can see. Protective devices are porcelain rewirable fuses.

They have asked me if I can wire a small water heater in the toilet. They realise that the distribution equipment wants replacing but there is to be an extension built within the next couple of years and would rather wait if at all possible. So, here goes; there is an existing socket on a ring at the rear that I could spur from through an rcd type fused spur, wiring would be surface/mini trunking. So we would end up with the water heater through an rcd, protected by a 1361 fuse. Is this acceptable please guys??

1st post so please go easy! and thanks.
 
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Guest55

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no need for RCD, IMO. just fit FCU.
That answer is gonna get the part p brigade all in a tizzy lol.
Yeah youre good to go with an rcd spur.
 

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well, if someone can point to a reg. that says an RCD needs fitting, then i'll buy TC a tuna sandwich. OH< Sod it! a whole tuna.
 
I would try an avoid an RCD on a water heater if possible, with surface wiring you certainly don't need one.
 
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Guest55

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house of God. does that qualify as domestic or commercial? you answered your own question there lol
does God actually live in there? I believe he has holiday homes in florida and France as well
does God actually exist? Dont even go there ! :)
if so, how do you give Him the certificate? Stuffed inside a bible
The Friday nite madness hour has begun. ;-D
 

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anyway, holy water contains it;s own protection. ask my polish aunt. her version of holy water is 100deg. proof polish vodka.
 

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looks like TC's on bread and water tonight.
 
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steveberry11

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I may be mistaken but Is there a section in the BGB about buildings of architectural importance requiring a 300 ma RCD

Dont have my book with me but I am sure someone will correct me if not.
 

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RCD's are recommended in church installations.
where??? reg???
 
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A lot of water heater installation instructions say they must be protected by RCD. Compromise - put in an RCD FCU :)
 

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if the manu. inst. say fit RCD then you have to fit one. try asking the silly buggers why, though, and you won't get as sensible answer.
 
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Moses

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A lot of water heater installation instructions say they must be protected by RCD. Compromise - put in an RCD FCU :)
I think you should follow the manufacturers installation instructions, as far as RCDs are concerned.

If the heater is rated 2.0KW or over, then I don't think you are allowed to tap off the Ring circuit.

You will then need to run a new circuit for the heater.
 

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probably the same power that insists on pyro. must be deferring their options in case of going to hell.
 
Just read a "guide" which says that PVC cable is not suitable (presumably because it is not fire-rated), but plastic conduit is perfectly ok.....
 
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gary272

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Thanks all for the many and helpful comments. Interestingly none that I can see referring to the "bible" (use your own interpretation on bible). Didn't think there was much wrong with what I was proposing but want the rcd in for piece of mind.
Cheers guy's keep up the good work.
 
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MarkieSparkie

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I may be mistaken but Is there a section in the BGB about buildings of architectural importance requiring a 300 ma RCD

Dont have my book with me but I am sure someone will correct me if not.
Hi Steve, I think you are referring to BS7671:2008+A1:2011 422.6 and 422.3.9. Cathedrals and other Grade 1 listed buildings (including churches) are probably of national or public significance, but whether all consecrated buildings are significant is open to debate. Often the designer must seek guidance on this issue from LBC, English Heritage (or equivalent), Church Synod (or other governing body), the building's insurance company, statutory licensing authority (if any) and any other interested parties.
 
Hi Steve, I think you are referring to BS7671:2008+A1:2011 422.6 and 422.3.9. Cathedrals and other Grade 1 listed buildings (including churches) are probably of national or public significance, but whether all consecrated buildings are significant is open to debate. Often the designer must seek guidance on this issue from LBC, English Heritage (or equivalent), Church Synod (or other governing body), the building's insurance company, statutory licensing authority (if any) and any other interested parties.
I think you are spot-on there Markie. Make sure it isn't just someone on the PCC who has asked you to wack a water heater in. Any work should be ok'd, and even specified, by one of the bodies Markie states.
 
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steveberry11

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Hi Steve, I think you are referring to BS7671:2008+A1:2011 422.6 and 422.3.9. Cathedrals and other Grade 1 listed buildings (including churches) are probably of national or public significance, but whether all consecrated buildings are significant is open to debate. Often the designer must seek guidance on this issue from LBC, English Heritage (or equivalent), Church Synod (or other governing body), the building's insurance company, statutory licensing authority (if any) and any other interested parties.
Thanks I thought I could recall something. I guess the message is tread with caution. You never know who's watching.
Is the prefured wiring method still Pyro.
 
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