Who will you vote for?

[telectrix]

Thing is Clive she has sold off all the council houses and then it has left us with a houses shortage for those people who cannot afford to buy, we now need to build houses which are low cost to house people, whatever you may think it still gets back to Thatcher, she has single handedlly destroyed this country IMO, She IMO knew about the pending invasion on the Falklands yet due to her falling in the polls decided to wait until it was too late to gain more support from the public by sending in the task force, apart from the Falklands capture she did nothing for us, nothing, lets not forget the Miners situation and the Poll tax, lets not forget the demise of the industry, lets not forget the housing shortage due to selling off, I despise the woman.

1.don't forget that when a family bought their council house, they were no longer tenants or prospective tenants. therefore, although there was 1 less house in the council stock, there was also 1 less family, so how come a shortage?

2. I don't agree or disagree about the falklands. with hindsight, more could have been done sooner asnd maybe avoided the conflict.

3. Miner's situation was caused by arthur scargill's attempt to bring down the government, no matter who suffered. that said, it could have been handled better.

4. poll tax. under the old rates system, my father was paying around £1,300/ year, living on his own, on a pension. a family close by in a lower band house were paying £250 between 4 wage earners. when the poll tax came in, my dad's bill went down to £250.
their's went up. bear in mind that it's people that use the facilities funded by council taxes, not houses. each house has 1 bin to be emptied, same road access, so why should a widowed pensioner pay more than 4 wage earners just because he's invested in a decent house, rather than spending all his wages on smokes, booze, gambling etc.

 

[Guest77]

1.don't forget that when a family bought their council house, they were no longer tenants or prospective tenants. therefore, although there was 1 less house in the council stock, there was also 1 less family, so how come a shortage?

2. I don't agree or disagree about the falklands. with hindsight, more could have been done sooner asnd maybe avoided the conflict.

3. Miner's situation was caused by arthur scargill's attempt to bring down the government, no matter who suffered. that said, it could have been handled better.

4. poll tax. under the old rates system, my father was paying around £1,300/ year, living on his own, on a pension. a family close by in a lower band house were paying £250 between 4 wage earners. when the poll tax came in, my dad's bill went down to £250.
their's went up. bear in mind that it's people that use the facilities funded by council taxes, not houses. each house has 1 bin to be emptied, same road access, so why should a widowed pensioner pay more than 4 wage earners just because he's invested in a decent house, rather than spending all his wages on smokes, booze, gambling etc.

Gasp, Gasp and double Gasp, surely and I am shaking with disbelief now terrance, your not, surely not, Gasp defending the ------Poll Tax????? Gasp

 

[andyb]

Gasp, Gasp and double Gasp, surely and I am shaking with disbelief now terrance, your not, surely not, Gasp defending the ------Poll Tax????? Gasp

Well if you wanted to find something good about the poll tax it's that its implementation was the downfall of Thatcher.

 

[Guest77]

Easy chart for the election here

 

[telectrix]

Gasp, Gasp and double Gasp, surely and I am shaking with disbelief now terrance, your not, surely not, Gasp defending the ------Poll Tax????? Gasp

the principal was fine. tax people for what people benefit from. it's the army of non-politival, overpaid civil servants tht escalated the cost. and it's terence btw, lol.

wish i was clever and could do flow charts. if i could, mine would look like this:

should i vote labour. ....... can i trust them with a kid's piggy bank, let alone the country's economy, ... NO. .... don't vote labour.

 

[Guest77]

the principal was fine. tax people for what people benefit from. it's the army of non-politival, overpaid civil servants tht escalated the cost. and it's terence btw, lol.

Sorry pal, my mistake, I will blame the Cider on this occassion lol.

 

[telectrix]

good to hear your back on decent booze. that creamflow poisoned your system. give it a year or 2 to get out of your system and you might even vote tory. :yes:

 

[Guest77]

good to hear your back on decent booze. that creamflow poisoned your system. give it a year or 2 to get out of your system and you might even vote tory. :yes:

Not funny Tel hehe

 

[telectrix]

careful. i could report that as offensive and get you a 3 months ban. lol. :38:

 

[Guest77]

careful. i could report that as offensive and get you a 3 months ban. lol. :38:

That is probably going to happen for the below reasons.

(1) I think for myself and I am not a sheep who follows others
(2) I would question any posts which gave bad advice
(3) I am true to myself and would not suck up to anyone who has authority
(4) I would trash anyone who uses racist language in their posts as I hate racism
(5) I would defend my friends here if they were banned for defending any of the 4 items listed above.
(6) I speak like a farmer and drink Cider yet I do not live in somerset
(7) I am overweight yet like to wear union jack shorts in the garden

 

[trev]

Thanks for sharing number 7 mate, it's a picture I really didn't need painting. I've now got an image in my head of a fat bloke in shorts drinking rough cider in a garden

 

[Octopus]

Well if you wanted to find something good about the poll tax it's that its implementation was the downfall of Thatcher.

Which should be reintroduced along the lines of:

Rateable value of the house (skys the limit with values, none of this current rubbish)
+
a single amount per adult over 18 not in full time education

That would increase revenue for Councils for sure.

Why should an elderly couple pay the same as a house full of EI's??

Local services needed to be funded sensibly and this would go along way.

 

[Guest77]

Why should anyone who doesn't own a home or rent a home pay anything?

 

[Octopus]

Why should anyone who doesn't own a home or rent a home pay anything?

Well, they have a moral responsibility, to contribute to local services as I assume they put rubbsh in the bin.

 

[Guest77]

even 5 year olds for example? they put things in the bin.

 

[trev]

even 4 year olds for example? they put things in the bin. Like Grandad's trainers

Yes, he did.

 

[plugsandsparks]

So would you be happy if your son/daughter/wife was employed on an exploitative zero hours contract and was reliant on top ups from the benefit system to make ends meet?
It's supporting a business after all

I have already stated my view on O hours contracts, actually wife was offered one, she discussed it with me and I told her to tell them to shove it up their arse. They are totally un-necessary and an easy out for crap management.

 

[plugsandsparks]

Gasp, Gasp and double Gasp, surely and I am shaking with disbelief now terrance, your not, surely not, Gasp defending the ------Poll Tax????? Gasp

I raise you a triple gasp, cough and double gasp. The poll tax was a brilliant idea, i.e. a charge related to rate of consumption of servces rather than some arbitrary value of a house. I was living in Sheffield at the time of the introduction trying to bring up a small family and it halved my rates as Sheffield was labour run and boy did they like to spend. The riots were a disgrace and Thatchers mistake was not sending the army in (China style) lol

 

[Octopus]

even 5 year olds for example? they put things in the bin.

Don't be stupid

 

[Anthony S]

The UK racked up a deficit of 5.7 per cent of gross domestic product last year while the national debt soared to 89.4 per cent of national income, according to Eurostat. Cyprus and Spain were the only countries in the European Union to borrow more as a proportion of national income - underlining the British government's abject failure to live within its means.

 

[plugsandsparks]

The UK racked up a deficit of 5.7 per cent of gross domestic product last year while the national debt soared to 89.4 per cent of national income, according to Eurostat. Cyprus and Spain were the only countries in the European Union to borrow more as a proportion of national income - underlining the British government's abject failure to live within its means.

Sadly most people I talk to don't understand the significance of both the deficit, structural debt and how large our overall debt is. Also in all the campaigning so far it is barely recognised as a problem. Unless we produce a surplus and soon, my childrens futures are screwed. I do laugh at some of the proposed solutions though. i.e. Spend more money on "investments" and tax the rich..... Like there are enough rich people who won't see that coming

 

[andyb]

I do laugh at some of the proposed solutions though. i.e. Spend more money on "investments" and tax the rich.....

Totally agree with you, it's the poor & vulnerable who should bear the brunt of the recovery, why would you borrow money at 0.5% or less from international markets when you can pay 4% from your own citizens and buy a few votes to help keep you in power?

 

[egg67]

This is all about which party will **** it up the best, Maggie did a good job of Messing it up but at least she left money in the bank the next one in John Major kept some of it and then Tony Blair spent a lot and then did a runner to America to make lots of money talking about crap he gave his p.m. job to a total ****** who had been in charge of our money for a long time Tony Tony Blair knew it was all going ---- up so he left it to Gordon Brown to work out what to do next and golden brown missed it right up next came coalition which the best it right up again but at least they're all clean-shaven and have nice headcounts
Sorry for spelling mistakes but I can not spell

 

[andyb]

Sorry for spelling mistakes but I can not spell

No problem with the spelling mistakes, the basic grasp of facts are not so easy to forgive.
Where is this bank you speak of that Thatcher left some money in?
Thatcher ran almost her entire premiership with a deficit, she borrowed massively despite selling off most of our assets, and the tax receipts from north sea oil.
Major's term was entirely in deficit.
Up until the crash Labour were similar.
There has never been any money, only debts.

 

[egg67]

It's was in her bank not ours, politicians only make money for themselves and and they just **** it up for Joe Bloggs

 

[rapparee]

Election Debate NI is starting tonight on utv/itv at 8.00. This will show you boys what real politics is about.

 

[plugsandsparks]

Ha, I was over in New Zealand last year when they were doing some bi-elections, so got some snippets of politics NZ style from TV, Radio etc. No problem with political correctness over there , lol

 

[rapparee]

Well the ni health minister had to resign yesterday because he said that gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt because the children are likely to be abused. :love:

 

[vjsmarwick]

The problem with government is they are like buying a new tool you spend weeks reading about them and choosing what you think is the best one then for the first day or so you think it's great and love it. Then after the honeymoon period is over you realise that your just kidding yourself and in reality this is none better than the tool you used before in fact the old one was more comfortable to use but by now it's too late to go back because now the apprentice has your old tool. Then every day you find more reasons you want your old one back so the next chance you get you buy the upgrade to your old tool but no matter what it's never going to be your old tool. The only way we are ever going to get what we want in government is to get the best we can and then make it ours by moulding it to what we want just as we do with everything else we have.

 

[overskilled]

The problem with government is they are like buying a new tool you spend weeks reading about them and choosing what you think is the best one then for the first day or so you think it's great and love it. Then after the honeymoon period is over you realise that your just kidding yourself and in reality this is none better than the tool you used before in fact the old one was more comfortable to use but by now it's too late to go back because now the apprentice has your old tool. Then every day you find more reasons you want your old one back so the next chance you get you buy the upgrade to your old tool but no matter what it's never going to be your old tool. The only way we are ever going to get what we want in government is to get the best we can and then make it ours by moulding it to what we want just as we do with everything else we have.

orrrrrrrrrr buy a massive coil of piano wire...plenty lamp posts also...

 

[Octopus]

There are no real Politicians. Just jumped up kids, who have embarked as career politicians with little or no experience of thereal world. That goes off all parties.

 

[plugsandsparks]

WOW - SNP landslide on Scotland, Tories come through, as expected and some big names loose their seats (Ed Balls) - The British People have spoken, shares are up, sun is shining, i'm off to work to pay off the deficit. cheers P&S

 

[Englishman]

Get in there boys!

 

[andyb]

There's nothing like a good, well thought through & reasoned reply.

Makes you proud to be a member of this forum.

 

[andyb]

There's nothing like a good, well thought through & reasoned reply.

Makes you proud to be a member of this forum.

The post that I'm referring to has been deleted,
Makes my post seem silly now.

Oh well.

 

[overskilled]

Fingers crossed Cameron now has the cojones to stamp on the more extreme elements of his party and make decisions in the best interests of the country rather than simply to keep the backbenchers happy...lest he make the mistakes of John Major and wind up with various knives in the back....One area where Thatcher got it right...keep the mice in line or they start squeaking amongst themselves.....
He is party leader so needs to show leadership and put his foot down - my way or the highway, as up till now he has let the backbenchers call the tune, even when the tune has been off key....

Fair enough have a referendum on europe...but stamp on the half truths etc and show just how much trade goes both ways, the benefits we get (free movement, ability to work in any EU nation without a visa, preferential access to markets, common standards which then cut down the cost of stuff (bigger market, lower unit cost) along with the truth on what it costs compared to what money it brings in, and how much we would gain or lose financially (I'm betting on a loss). Plus when the Americans reckon we are better off in Europe...that says something...

What I'd like to see from this government - movement to a federal UK, each part with its own parliament, sort of like Australia but not...

Which would then answer the West Lothian question, English issues dealt with only by English MPs, ditto for Scotland, Wales, NI. I think it would also remove a lot of ill feeling....each country raises and spends its own income but contributes a set amount per person to the "federal govt" to cover defence, passports etc etc) devolve the rest to each "state" - health, education, welfare, speed limits.

Though quite where an English Parliament would be, given they want to decant MPs from westminster for several years to do major repairwork is another question...

 

[Diddy]

Fingers crossed Cameron now has the cojones to stamp on the more extreme elements of his party and make decisions in the best interests of the country rather than simply to keep the backbenchers happy...lest he make the mistakes of John Major and wind up with various knives in the back....One area where Thatcher got it right...keep the mice in line or they start squeaking amongst themselves.....
He is party leader so needs to show leadership and put his foot down - my way or the highway, as up till now he has let the backbenchers call the tune, even when the tune has been off key....

Fair enough have a referendum on europe...but stamp on the half truths etc and show just how much trade goes both ways, the benefits we get (free movement, ability to work in any EU nation without a visa, preferential access to markets, common standards which then cut down the cost of stuff (bigger market, lower unit cost) along with the truth on what it costs compared to what money it brings in, and how much we would gain or lose financially (I'm betting on a loss). Plus when the Americans reckon we are better off in Europe...that says something...

What I'd like to see from this government - movement to a federal UK, each part with its own parliament, sort of like Australia but not...

Which would then answer the West Lothian question, English issues dealt with only by English MPs, ditto for Scotland, Wales, NI. I think it would also remove a lot of ill feeling....each country raises and spends its own income but contributes a set amount per person to the "federal govt" to cover defence, passports etc etc) devolve the rest to each "state" - health, education, welfare, speed limits.

Though quite where an English Parliament would be, given they want to decant MPs from westminster for several years to do major repairwork is another question...

He does not have the Majority to upset his backbenchers. His majority was higher last time round as he had the backup of well behaved Lib Dems. I will give it until next xmas and he will find himself in a John Major position.
When you actually think about it the Tories are going to spend 2 years arguing about Europe and at least 1 year fighting each other to see who/what leads them into the 2020 election and beyond. Tis going to be a turbulent few years IMHO.

 

[overskilled]

Fiver says leadership challenge within a year...he's blinked regards Europe referendum. ...blood in the water....my money is on Boris to stick the knife in first...

 

[plugsandsparks]

Fiver says leadership challenge within a year...he's blinked regards Europe referendum. ...blood in the water....my money is on Boris to stick the knife in first...

I must have blinked at the same time, what have I missed ? - Surely the Tories are not going to commit suicide over Europe (again)...

 

[overskilled]

CMD told his ministers to vote as told or quit over this EU referendum thing....loud objectional noises from the backbenches and CMD did a u turn faster than lightning and blamed the media for misquoting him (which they didn't)