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Lucien's tip is one of my go-to methods,together with a couple of other,tidy remedial additions...but Tel did what he did,with what was handy,and then had the sand to tell us and post the pics :cool:

He could have stud welded a SS terminal block...he could have not bothered doing anything...somewhere in the middle,is where most of us are :)
 
Not a full solution, methinks. earth the face plate...remove it and...
BANG!
Mind you, I always wanted hair like Art Garfunkel...

But you would not remove any plate without carrying out the safe isolation procedure (or so the standard response to this kind of comment goes)
 
would be nice to do that, but box nailed in, 1950's plaster tight round box. getting box out would lead to the room needing redecorating. sometimes you need to balance the costs. already re-used the original capped channels to save chasing.

So let them redecorate.
Do you really think it is better to place a persons life at risk than leave them facing the cost of re-decorating?
 
"anyone who claims to know everything is a liar and a heathen"
True, but in my retirement I have learnt so many songs that I can now confidently say that if you give me a name, boy or girl, I can find a song with that name in it...and because I am an old git, I know I have done this before!
Anyway, leave a safe job...Tel, you did.
Happy birthday to......
 
So let them redecorate.
Do you really think it is better to place a persons life at risk than leave them facing the cost of re-decorating?
that fix i did is a good an earth as any factory fitted brass terminal with a titchy 2mm screw in it.
 
60 posts when all you need to do is cut the cpc's off, put plastic caps over the plate screw heads and provide extra security against them falling out with a bit of blu tac.:D
those plastic caps are a nightmare to get out though, rarely do they just pop to one side, usually just deeper into the hole.
 
Try using electricians tape placed over the cap then they sometimes pull out.
Thank me later guys :D
ill stick to just forcing them out and throwing them in the bin

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Some of the post's on here are hilarious, talk about over the top. I understand he done well to get down got the back box earthed, end off, maybe change for plastic surface pattress until redecoration.?
 
As number one grammar and spelling pedant, I do cringe sometimes...I mean, criticism is MY job, ok?

Anyway, I am off to sail the Spanish Main tomorrow morning, so I'll catch you lot on Monday as my ship has no internet access.

I need a break from the Shed. "Pirate, we need to fit these cupboards and that thick green and yellow wire from the fusebox to the water pipe is in the way. Could you disconnect that for now, and redo it when you get back on Monday?"

"Are you switchng off the electricty, then?"

"No, but we'll only be using some drills and stuff, and the cooker."

Night night, me hearties!
 
customer don't like either he prefers painted plaster. even so, he's got a good base for it, no bloody great holes or chases down the walls, less mess, less cost, everyone's a winner.
 
as title. using existing back boxes ( lighting) as original VIR cable in capping and managed to re-use route to save chasing. boxes are tight and nailed in. removal would cause a lot of damage to decor. no earth terminal in box, so my solution was to drill the side of the box and fit screw. obviously a 2mm HSS bit is no good to drill into the brick, that's why it's in the side. would have been neater if I'd gotmy box of ring crimps on site, but hey ho. at least the box is earthed.

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If you have only counter sink screws at least use a washer to make a more robust job of it.
 
i have already said i would be back with my box of ring crimps ( earthing boxes, for the use of), self tappers ( pan head, lugs for the use of) and knipex crimp tool (ratchet,crimps/lugs/for the use of) . the wrap round was just to get the customer some lights safely working (seeing after dark, for the use of). :D:D:D
 
i have already said i would be back with my box of ring crimps ( earthing boxes, for the use of), self tappers ( pan head, lugs for the use of) and knipex crimp tool (ratchet,crimps/lugs/for the use of) . the wrap round was just to get the customer some lights safely working (seeing after dark, for the use of). :D:D:D
You tell em Tel perzactly.
 
I think your original fix was quite adequate given the setting - 4 stars. Latest version is better 4.5 stars. I disagree about tapping holes (yester-year stuff when labour was cheap) - a good self-tapper makes a much better gas-tight connection than a tapped hole and a separate new screw in those sort of settings. It is unlikely that a threaded screw is the same metal finish as the back box and so those zinc or nickle plated ceiling self-drilling and tapping wide-pan-head screws with a star washer to spike the CPC or crimp washer are probably the ultimate fix - 5 stars. If you went the tapped hole route, you should really apply silly grease to keep the air and damp out and prevent corrosion of the dissimilar metals in a wall/cement/plaster environment. Gas tight is what is increasingly required for reliable long-lasting good connections. I think you did good!
 
Personally, albeit not to Tel's normal high standards, the original was perfectly adequate in the circumstances.

When I wake this morning about 3am, and can't get back to sleep, I'll turn on my pc and read this thread from the beginning; after 7 pages & now 96 posts, it will be better than counting sheep! Anybody else got any wonderful ideas how to earth a back box without a prescribed earth terminal, just keep 'em to yourself, for crisps sake :mad:
 

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