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Then why are diagrams 3 & 4 there.
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Didn't Marbo (?) used to make a plug designed to take more than one flex?I've done the same in the past I must admit. In my own home. Not ideal, but as long as it is 2 small flexes and the cord grip secures them properly then not too bad.
Didn't Marbo (?) used to make a plug designed to take more than one flex?
Not really other than it's not called a ring main a ring main is a distribution circuit it's ring final circuit if you get your terms correct you may get some better responsesIt's testing which is the problem, I think. Without the predictability/consistency of readings from a proper, single, ring it's harder to spot problems such as multiple socket spurs.
But as for loading and balance - I won't mind if I prove myself wrong with some worked examples, (or if someone else does to save me the effort ?), but my initial feeling is that any cross-connections which make a figure of 8 or anything else just add current paths and thus lower the current flowing in them, not increase it.
I can sort of envisage a scenario where a section near the origin of the ring could become unbalanced, but I'm not sure how improbable it is. Need to do some sketches.
Anyone out there with circuit design software which could be used to analyse different scenarios?
youneed to get out more. don't the pubs open soon?If I start with this:
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and add a loop like this:
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or if I start with this:
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and add a link across the middle to end up with the same figure of 8, which cable(s) become at risk of being overloaded that would not if I'd done this:
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?
The more paths there are for current to flow to each point of loading the less flows in any given one, not more.
Ignoring the practical realities of actually wiring it, a "full mesh" topology of interconnections
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would minimise the current flowing in every single cable (apart, obv, from the ones from the OPD to the "first" and "last" sockets, but those cables are never affected by any interconnection topology anyway).
And the more connections you have the harder it becomes to turn the circuit into radials, or to create multi-socket branches, by cutting connections.
If you are referring to me Tel, then nothing gets up my snout more than Wannbee's quoting something they know little or nothing about post ban waiting, still no one likes the truth these days do they?youneed to get out more. don't the pubs open soon?
LOL.youneed to get out more. don't the pubs open soon?
If you are referring to me Tel, then nothing gets up my snout more than Wannbee's quoting something they know little or nothing about post ban waiting, still no one likes the truth these days do they?
I haven't used the term "ring main".Not really other than it's not called a ring main a ring main is a distribution circuit it's ring final circuit if you get your terms correct you may get some better responses
Not really other than it's not called a ring main a ring main is a distribution circuit it's ring final circuit if you get your terms correct you may get some better responses
probably did in my state of mind, going to give up for a while far to much goin on in my bonce at the moment might even have to resign?Pete, I think you might have quoted the wrong person.
probably did in my state of mind, going to give up for a while far to much goin on in my bonce at the moment might even have to resign?
Don't jump, mate. Have a laugh, we still want ya.probably did in my state of mind, going to give up for a while far to much goin on in my bonce at the moment might even have to resign?
i was referring to the poster who drew all those figure 8 etc. circuits.If you are referring to me Tel, then nothing gets up my snout more than Wannbee's quoting something they know little or nothing about post ban waiting, still no one likes the truth these days do they?
It happens. A few times (not here) in the past I've had "discussions and debates" (ahem...) lasting multiple posts where I've misattributed what had been said. The arguments over what had been said were valid, but with the wrong person.Pete, I think you might have quoted the wrong person.
probably did in my state of mind
Bring back (and uprate) the octopus....Actually, just to be a bit naughty - what is unsafe about a large number of radials, each one having not more than one twin socket and all connected by say one 32A MCB. Not actually unsafe proving the joints are reliable both electrically and mechanically and all volt drop and Zs are catered for.
I wouldn`t like to see it but it would not cause piles of dead bodies to litter the place.
That'll be me.i was referring to the poster who drew all those figure 8 etc. circuits.
Yeh.... like Sea Shanties....Worse things happen at sea.
Your day in the barrel?Yeh.... like Sea Shanties....
Well I only joined it in April 2020 so give it timeBloody hell, is this thread still going?
It is actually 1 RFC with an intermediate connection. And the answer is No you can not have it and this is the specific fault that we are looking for when conducting the cross connection RFC test. It just happens to be in a place visible.Question I have is, is it ok to have x2 ring main circuits on one 32amp type B MCB??
If so does this meet the current regs.
TIA.
Perhaps it should have died along with the Ring Main or if you want to be pedantic Final Ring Circuit, who ever though up that idiocy.Bloody hell, is this thread still going?
Why have I received a post about ring final circuits?
Do you not think that is part of my cunning plan?Well that diatribe should kill the thread once and for all.
Ah so I did. There was also another post at #320. Must have been a busy week.Cos you posted in the thread. Post #335.
As long as they are marked up. Easy to find, I know............ but not for some, maybe?Ah so I did. There was also another post at #320. Must have been a busy week.
Just a note. The only reason why two ring final circuits end up paralleled up into one mcb/fuse terminal is likely to be a short term temporary measure because there are no spare fuse ways. The Dist. Board is about to upgraded.....
....Ring Final?Does anyone really care if the ring main disappears into the either, to be replaced by dare I say it the R.......
Does anyone care what it's finally called by the pedants?....Ring Final?
Does anyone care what it's finally called by the pedants?
Oh of course, the trainee needs to establish himself as a pedant as soon as possible after all that is what all electricians aspire too.OP is a trainee - you should be setting a better example
Oh of course, the trainee needs to establish himself as a pedant as soon as possible after all that is what all electricians aspire too.
And while we're on the subject, it's 'ether'Does anyone really care if the ring main disappears into the either, to be replaced by dare I say it the R.......
The correct spelling in this case would be 'to'Oh of course, the trainee needs to establish himself as a pedant as soon as possible after all that is what all electricians aspire too.
Although he did include the customary full stop.The correct spelling in this case would be 'to'
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