The Big Green Book!

[Dunc]

Well, BS7671 2008: Amendment 1 is due out next month but so far I can find next to nowt when it comes to useful information on what is changing. So far i know the following parts are being added.

• New section 444 – Measures against electromagnetic disturbances
• New section 534 – Devices for protection against over voltage. Selection of surge protection devices (SPD)
• New section 710 – Medical locations
• New section 729 – Operating or maintenance gangways
• Appendix 6 – New model forms for certification and reporting – this covers the new Electrical Installation condition Report (EICR) which supersedes the Periodic Inspection Report (PIR)

The amendments also cover minor works changes which relate to exceptions regarding RCD protection

Since most of my work is in the domestic sector i can ignore some of the changes as they are very unlikely to effect me in my day to day work but other sections i'm not so sure about. For example does anyone know what changes sections 444 and 534 will have on a domestic install? Am i going to have to start fitting surge suppressors when ever i change a consumer unit? Anyone got any info or links that would be of use? There was so much more info freely available before the BRB was brought out but i can't seem to find much regarding the BGB! :32:

 

[cbw]

No significant changes for us domestic chaps

Surge protection to be 'given consideration' on new build, So no need to worry.

Only real issue for me is change in PIR

No change on RCD protection

 

[IQ Electrical]

Well, BS7671 2008: Amendment 1 is due out next month but so far I can find next to nowt when it comes to useful information on what is changing. So far i know the following parts are being added.

Since most of my work is in the domestic sector i can ignore some of the changes as they are very unlikely to effect me in my day to day work but other sections i'm not so sure about. For example does anyone know what changes sections 444 and 534 will have on a domestic install? Am i going to have to start fitting surge suppressors when ever i change a consumer unit? Anyone got any info or links that would be of use? There was so much more info freely available before the BRB was brought out but i can't seem to find much regarding the BGB! :32:

There is little to affect the domestic side of things other than the introduction of the EICR in place of the PIR.

 

[cornburn]

Had my assessment last week and the area guy said they're restructuring all the regs numbers, so any new books you get or new versions of any guidance notes won't tally up without the new book.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Had my assessment last week and the area guy said they're restructuring all the regs numbers, so any new books you get or new versions of any guidance notes won't tally up without the new book.

Quite correct, new numbering denotes a UK regulation or a Harmonised Document regulation by the type of number allocated.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

An example of what IQ is saying is:

The introduction of a new numbering system for UK-specific regulations (to differentiate them from harmonised European/International regulations).
For example, the current regulation 422.3.14 relating to flexible cables will become 422.3.100

quoted from switched on magazine, issue 21

 

[IQ Electrical]

An example of what IQ is saying is:


quoted from switched on magazine, issue 21

Lol, an example of what I was TRYING to say

 

[Sparky Ninja]

Highlighters at the ready!!!

 

[Goody]

£80 fro IET & £64 from amazon.co.uk

IET Wiring Regulations 17th Edition (BS 7671:2008 incorporating amendment no 1:2011) - IET Electrical

Requirements for Electrical Installations: BS 7671:2008 Incorporating Amendment No 1: 2011: IET Wiring Regulations: Amazon.co.uk: Institution Of Engineering And Technology: Books

I am thinking of getting it from amazon.co.uk. What do you guys think?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Has it gone up?
Sure it was only £60 with free postage the other week.

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Has it gone up?
Sure it was only £60 with free postage the other week.

It was, as I bought it for £60.

 

[nickblake]

Thats typical just when i'd finished painting my red one green

 

[SirKit Breaker]

£80 fro IET & £64 from amazon.co.uk

IET Wiring Regulations 17th Edition (BS 7671:2008 incorporating amendment no 1:2011) - IET Electrical

Requirements for Electrical Installations: BS 7671:2008 Incorporating Amendment No 1: 2011: IET Wiring Regulations: Amazon.co.uk: Institution Of Engineering And Technology: Books

I am thinking of getting it from amazon.co.uk. What do you guys think?

I'm getting it free when i start my new job:smartass2:

 

[JUD]

£80 fro IET....

Just join up. You'll get it for £52.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Only £123 to join.

 

[JUD]

Only £123 to join.

Since when. I joined last week for my favourite price of £0.00. arty:

 

[IQ Electrical]

Since when. I joined last week for my favourite price of £0.00. arty:

What did you join though?

Spin's right in that the minimum to actually join the IET is £123.00 but it's free to register for the forum services etc.

IET membership fees - The IET

 

[JUD]

What did you join though?

Spin's right in that the minimum to actually join the IET is £123.00 but it's free to register for the forum services etc.

IET membership fees - The IET

You only have to be a forum member to get the discount

 

[Silly Sausage]

Have you actually ordered it? How did you get the discount?
I'm a forum member and adding the book to basket shows a discount total of £0

 

[IQ Electrical]

Have you actually ordered it? How did you get the discount?
I'm a forum member and adding the book to basket shows a discount total of £0

Exactly Archy, that was what I was expecting, the discount was for IET members, not just forum members.

Why should a free forum membership result in a discount when we have to pay a minimum of £123.00 for IET membership?

 

[Goody]

You only have to be a forum member to get the discount

Registered an account to use their forum and tried to order the Green Book, but it didn't get any cheaper than £80. :angry_smile:

 

[Silly Sausage]

Aye, have to wait and see if JUD comes back with an answer.

I think it'll be an order from Amazon for me.

 

[netblindpaul]

You only have to be a forum member to get the discount

You have to be a subscription paying member of the IET to receive discount on the publications, else there would be many irate fee paying members out there!
Me included!!!

(MIET)

 

[JUD]

Aye, have to wait and see if JUD comes back with an answer.

I think it'll be an order from Amazon for me.

You have to be a subscription paying member of the IET to receive discount on the publications, else there would be many irate fee paying members out there!
Me included!!!

(MIET)

I signed up for forum membership week before last and got it for £60 (£20 discount). Since then the price has dropped to £52.

Here is my invoice:

When I checked out I was asked to sign up for forum membership in order to receive the discount. I picked it up from the courier last night.

 

[netblindpaul]

JUD,
Can you please post on the forum or PM a link to where the BGB is for sale to non subscription paying members of the IET for £52, coz I will be having very serious words again if this is the case!

 

[IQ Electrical]

JUD,
Can you please post on the forum or PM a link to where the BGB is for sale to non subscription paying members of the IET for £52, coz I will be having very serious words again if this is the case!

I couldn't agree more, absolute disgrace, well done Jud for getting the deal but the IET need to look into this, at the Guidance Note 3 amendment meeting we were promised no discounts other than to paid up members and no discounting to Amazon.

Both seem to have been overlooked!

 

[JUD]

JUD,
Can you please post on the forum or PM a link to where the BGB is for sale to non subscription paying members of the IET for £52, coz I will be having very serious words again if this is the case!

I googled "17th Edition Ammendment 1" a couple of weeks ago and it pointed me to IET who had the cheapest price at the time.

I added to basket (£80) and went to checkout where I was asked to register for basic membership.

Once registered the discount was applied and I paid.

That's all I can tell you.

Since then the price has dropped from £60 to £52 (member price).

I posted that forum membership is all that is required because that has been my experience.

 

[Silly Sausage]

He's got it at the pre-release price of £60.
Must have ordered it just in time!

 

[netblindpaul]

So did you pay £60 or £52 mate please?


IQ I guess you are on committee there then?
I had to give up when made redundant from my last job as I no longer had the time when running my own company!
I do miss the meetings and visits as I used to get to many interesting places and meet some very interesting people!
Jealous now!

 

[netblindpaul]

OK,
The £60 was a pre-order price available to all, I can see that.
My gripe is with the availability of the £52 member price to all, sorry I did not make that clear.
Where did you find the £52 price available to all please, as that is a bit wrong.
I kicked up so much of a stink the last time it was cheaper to buy IET publications from Amazon than it was direct as a member, I had a written apology!
Thanks in advance.

 

[IQ Electrical]

So did you pay £60 or £52 mate please?


IQ I guess you are on committee there then?
I had to give up when made redundant from my last job as I no longer had the time when running my own company!
I do miss the meetings and visits as I used to get to many interesting places and meet some very interesting people!
Jealous now!

Just the Guidance Note 3 committee but yes, there are some great people there, and a new breed running the show, all for the better.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

Member discounts with the IET have never been a guaranteed minimum price?

 

[IQ Electrical]

Member discounts with the IET have never been a guaranteed minimum price?

Traditionally not but that was the promise from the marketing/sales supremo for the release of amendment 1 and all future releases.

 

[netblindpaul]

Traditionally not but that was the promise from the marketing/sales supremo for the release of amendment 1 and all future releases.

It actually came a little bit before that!
There was such a stink kicked up by some members some of it via the forum that they had to take notice I believe!
Thus they did guarantee the cheapest price to members.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

Traditionally not but that was the promise from the marketing/sales supremo for the release of amendment 1 and all future releases.

Promises promises I guess. They do get a lot of flack at seminars with regards to the necessity for further publishes. A lot of irate questions.