Non-notifiable competent DIYer jobs

[k_d_ch]

Either way you don't need to use trunking in this method!
has said property got RCD protection?
if you are renting have u got permission to do what your wanting to do?
being good at physics does not mean you are good at electrics,
some electricians have been killed by making a mistake. Just look how many fires there has been.

Either way its not notifiable! But still get an electrician in to at least price it up, you could be supprised

It has RCCB protection. If I was renting it would be foolish to do something like this without landlord's permission
of course. The price that the lady who sold us the house had paid did not sound very attractive, especially given the change of a bad job
(please see my earlier reply to ExArmy).

 

[k_d_ch]

whats up?
cant you read?

Sorry I did not I understand your comment.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

this is all ridiculous...
just get an electrician in who will give you value for money...
everything will be compliant and you will get certification for works carried out...this will be of course signed by the designer/installer/inspector & tester....

 

[Adam W]

Well, most of the trunking is in safe zones. As I understand, trunking was used to conceal the wires somehow. Now, if it wasn't in a safe zone, what else would one use in addition to trunking when it is in the wall? LED Lighting is suggesting above that trunking isn't even necessary!

Earthed metallic conduit capable of withstanding penetration by a nail or the like, although it might be less of a job just to rip it all out and start again.
I'm not sure I would use metal conduit in addition to trunking as you suggest, but it's not me doing the job.

 

[k_d_ch]

I was lead to believe the whole point of trunking was that you could take the lid off and lay cables inside, which you won't be able to do if it's plastered into the wall.

Well if what you say is the only point of trunking then it's only point is not to have to nail the cable to the wall, right?
Also, why can't I apply your principle of laying cables inside the trunking but then also plaster over it? If I need access to the wiring later on, I
take part of the plaster off, open the trunking, do what I need, then re-plaster the disturbed area? How does not using the trunking in this case
make things simpler?

 

[LED Lighting]

To be honest folks this sounds like another "I can wire a plug, I can do electrics I"

your not going to take our advice mate, if you have to rewire the drops then yes it's notifiable and yes you can still do it but also pay £120+ to building control to notify it, or do what most cowboys do and say sod that.

From what your saying they prob charge you a bomb because you have messed with it before and they have to come in and sort your mess out!

if you get references, take muiltable quotes then you will find a decent sparky, if you just go down yellow pages and ask can you come out today and get the cheapest then you will get the crooks!

good luck to you mate.

And with regards to your question about would u be stupid to do it without the landlords permission then sorry the answer is maybe as you would be surprised how many I go to who does exactly that!

 

[davethsparky]

There is a phrase we have all heard from Plumbers/carpenters at some time

"it was a little bit tough so I just hit it harder and then it suddenly went without any resistance, you should put something stronger over it"

Which then leads to the question of how you get the nail/screw out of the steel pipe which has now been squished flat so you can't get the damaged cable out or the new one in.
I favour at least 1/8" earthed plate over anything buried that I really don't want them to damage (tails etc). The company I used to work for had it supplied by the same people who did the RSJ's

 

[k_d_ch]

this is all ridiculous...
just get an electrician in who will give you value for money...
everything will be compliant and you will get certification for works carried out...this will be of course signed by the designer/installer/inspector & tester....

It has proved to me to be not as straightforward as I thought it would be. Unfortunately, value is not always there. Which you may discover a few years on
when it is too late... Please see my reply to ExArmy.

 

[kingeri]

To the OP:

Trunking is for containing cables on the surface of a wall. When cables are to be buried in a wall, then generally no containment is required. If you wanted containment, in a domestic setting you'd use conduit. Since you don't know the difference between conduit and trunking, I'd say please, please get a spark in to do the job. Won't cost the earth but you'll know the work is compliant and has been tested as safe. I know you probably won't, but hey ho that's all you're getting out of me!

 

[Adam W]

Well if what you say is the only point of trunking then it's only point is not to have to nail the cable to the wall, right?
Also, why can't I apply your principle of laying cables inside the trunking but then also plaster over it? If I need access to the wiring later on, I
take part of the plaster off, open the trunking, do what I need, then re-plaster the disturbed area? How does not using the trunking in this case
make things simpler?

That's the point of trunking over other forms of containment.
I suppose you could plaster trunking into the walls, but I wouldn't do it.
Remember it's not the trunking that negates the need for safe zones, but mounting it on the surface of the wall.

 

[k_d_ch]

your not going to take our advice mate

Why? I am grateful for your advice, and I will take it into account.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

It has proved to me to be not as straightforward as I thought it would be. Unfortunately, value is not always there. Which you may discover a few years on
when it is too late... Please see my reply to ExArmy.

well....you just do what you think then....
look at that wall as a blank canvas......and you are the artist......

 

[k_d_ch]

To the OP:

Trunking is for containing cables on the surface of a wall. When cables are to be buried in a wall, then generally no containment is required. If you wanted containment, in a domestic setting you'd use conduit. Since you don't know the difference between conduit and trunking, I'd say please, please get a spark in to do the job. Won't cost the earth but you'll know the work is compliant and has been tested as safe. I know you probably won't, but hey ho that's all you're getting out of me!

What does "OP" stand for? GLENNSPARK also used it, I did not understand his comment.
I think I know the difference between conduit and trunking.
And I am sorry I have given you an impression that I want to "get something out of you". It is always interesting to talk to experts in the field, that's all.

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well....you just do what you think then....
look at that wall as a blank canvas......and you are the artist......

Not at all. And that is why I am here.

 

[Adam W]

well....you just do what you think then....
look at that wall as a blank canvas......and you are the artist......

If he uses SWA then he can bury the cable in the wall following the same route as the trunking, obviously in PVC trunking to avoid having to use cleats.
Maybe run the SWA in conduit inside the trunking just in case, then plaster over the lot.

 

[k_d_ch]

From what your saying they prob charge you a bomb because you have messed with it before and they have to come in and sort your mess out!

No, the lady said it was just normal re-wiring of the house. And if anyone left a mess is the person who did it, for what I have seen under the bathroom floor.

 

[kingeri]

OP means opening post or opening poster.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

If he uses SWA then he can bury the cable in the wall following the same route as the trunking, obviously in PVC trunking to avoid having to use cleats.
Maybe run the SWA in conduit inside the trunking just in case, then plaster over the lot.

the other option Adam is to just run it all direct:

 

[LED Lighting]

Right as I said your going to do it yourself and as its been said already just cut the hole in the walls, tack the cables to the wall (in the whole) and ferment/plaster back over.
no protection needed! Only requirement is RCD protection and correct cable Runs.

im going to get shouted at now but I see it as ur going to do it anyway.

if you need to extend cables there's 2 ways. Maintance free crimps or new run.

lets drop the subject now please

 

[davethsparky]

To the OP:

Trunking is for containing cables on the surface of a wall. When cables are to be buried in a wall, then generally no containment is required. If you wanted containment, in a domestic setting you'd use conduit. Since you don't know the difference between conduit and trunking, I'd say please, please get a spark in to do the job. Won't cost the earth but you'll know the work is compliant and has been tested as safe. I know you probably won't, but hey ho that's all you're getting out of me!

I have always been taught that T+E and similar cables buried in the wall have to have some form of containment (oval conduit or capping) to protect them from chemicals in the plaster etc and from damage when the is filled/plastered.
And that Armoured/MI/Hi tuff type cables dont need containment as the outer sheath is tougher/more resistant.

 

[LED Lighting]

I have always been taught that T+E and similar cables buried in the wall have to have some form of containment (oval conduit or capping) to protect them from chemicals in the plaster etc and from damage when the is filled/plastered.
And that Armoured/MI/Hi tuff type cables dont need containment as the outer sheath is tougher/more resistant.

No nothing needed but RCD protection