Returning to work after years away, some questions

[Predator]

Hello all, I qualified as an electrircian about 10 years ago passing all parts of C+G 2360 and 16th IEE, however for the last 5 years (or abouts) I've not worked as an electrician.

I want to change that now but I am unsure about some things, I've tried to 'google it' myself but cannot find clear answers, I did find this forum though so thought I'd ask. I'd be very happy if could have these questions answered.


1. 17th Edition - Since it was 16th when I qualified, do I need go back to college to update my qualifications to work as an electrician or is knowledge of the changes simply enough? Is my 2360 still valid or does this need some sort of update?

2. Domestic work - If I've googled this right I now need this 'Part P' - Is this correct and how much time and money is this going to cost me? I've mainly worked on Industial sites in the past but like to keep my options open.

3. Relating to question 2, I need be NICEIC registered for domestic work only?

4. Assuming I get all the above done, where needed, is there anything else I'm missing?


Thankyou for any help.

 

[overskilled]

1. I'd advise the long version of 2382 (I think the code is 2382-100) as there are big differences between the 16th and the 17th, especially in the domestic sphere. Having a read of the BGB beforehand (its arranged a bit differently to the 16th edition book also) will make your life easier.
Try to avoid the "we did it this way under the 16th" thinking, focus on the 17th, reference to the BGB during the exam and it shouldn't be overly onerous to pass.


2. If in England/Wales and doing notifiable work then yes you need to either be a member of a self cert scheme or go through LABC

3. Part P as far as I know only applies to domestic works (I live in Scotland so not affected), though there are other options - Elecsa, NAPIT, STROMA etc

4 2394/2395 (which superseded 2391 I think, though could be talking merde here) could be worth doing.

 

[Octopus]

From your post you want to operate in the domestic sector and being Part P in England or Wales will be an asset.

Best way forward is to contact the "schemes"" namely Elecsa, Napit, NICEIC or Stroma and discuss it with them......

 

[GLENNSPARK]

1. I'd advise the long version of 2382 (I think the code is 2382-100) as there are big differences between the 16th and the 17th, especially in the domestic sphere. Having a read of the BGB beforehand (its arranged a bit differently to the 16th edition book also) will make your life easier.
Try to avoid the "we did it this way under the 16th" thinking, focus on the 17th, reference to the BGB during the exam and it shouldn't be overly onerous to pass.


2. If in England/Wales and doing notifiable work then yes you need to either be a member of a self cert scheme or go through LABC

3. Part P as far as I know only applies to domestic works (I live in Scotland so not affected), though there are other options - Elecsa, NAPIT, STROMA etc

4 2394/2395 (which superseded 2391 I think, though could be talking merde here) could be worth doing.

do you now?...hmm lets see....er..i think not.

caus firstly scam membership is an option....

and secondly its the property owners responsibility to inform the LABC...not the electricians...

 

[overskilled]

do you now?...hmm lets see....er..i think not.

caus firstly scam membership is an option....

and secondly its the property owners responsibility to inform the LABC...not the electricians...

Seems I stand corrected...though I don't have to deal with it over the border...(which I did mention below)

 

[Octopus]

do you now?...hmm lets see....er..i think not.

caus firstly scam membership is an option....

and secondly its the property owners responsibility to inform the LABC...not the electricians...

And Electricians performing notifiable work on peoples homes and not telling them about Part P is fraud.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

And Electricians performing notifiable work on peoples homes and not telling them about Part P is fraud.

so whats that got to do with being in a scam then eh?

 

[Silly Sausage]

EDIT...Change of mind!

 

[Octopus]

so whats that got to do with being in a scam then eh?

Nothing.

Simply what you are advocating is somewhat dishonest and would put you in the class of a dodgy back street 2nd hand car dealer.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Nothing.

Simply what you are advocating is somewhat dishonest and would put you in the class of a dodgy back street 2nd hand car dealer.

is it?


as you have just answered `nothing` (see above) to my post then surely that would imply i was telling it real....

or perhaps i sell cars for a living....

what you think?

 

[Octopus]

is it?


as you have just answered `nothing` (see above) to my post then surely that would imply i was telling it real....

or perhaps i sell cars for a living....

what you think?

We ALL know the rules applying to England and Wales.....

So stop being a dxck and accept that Part P is here to stay.

So for people who do domestic, notifiable work on a regular basis, membership of a scheme makes perfect sense. Round my way its £335 per home extension for the "electrical" inspection, so £448.00 plus £1.80 per job is a snip......

Also, Elecsa had plans to introduce the "mandatory" insurance with every notifiable job.

I was asked my opinion about this when I had my assessment and I told my assessor in no uncertain terms that I felt it was like PPI "mis-selling" and thus no such policy can be "mandatory". I stated that I would NOT be telling my clients in any way.

I thought it was due to go live in October '13 but its all gone VERY quiet.

 

[Silly Sausage]

And Electricians performing notifiable work on peoples homes and not telling them about Part P is fraud.

Is it?

It's the householder's responsibility, they should know.
All you could possibly be nailed with, is not informing the customer of their responsibilities.
I don't think that counts as fraud.

 

[Octopus]

Is it?

It's the householder's responsibility, they should know.
All you could possibly be nailed with, is not informing the customer of their responsibilities.
I don't think that counts as fraud.

I disagree, you are employed for your skill and knowledge.... so not making sure the client is aware of Part P is IMHO dishonest.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Is it?

It's the householder's responsibility, they should know.
All you could possibly be nailed with, is not informing the customer of their responsibilities.
I don't think that counts as fraud.

think it was a week or so sinse i last mentioned about pork and educate.....

 

[Plonker 3]

Does it matter if it gets notified or not, I have yet to hear of one person being prosecuted for not notifying, either spark or homeowner.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I disagree, you are employed for your skill and knowledge.... so not making sure the client is aware of Part P is IMHO dishonest.

which again makes me ask what you think being a scam member has to do with making a client aware/enlightened....whatever....

 

[Octopus]

Does it matter if it gets notified or not, I have yet to hear of one person being prosecuted for not notifying, either spark or homeowner.

Well..... round my way all the Solicitors are very hot on looking for recent work which involved planning permission and/or building control then asking for all the paperwork, Part P included - and I get work to do EICR's so every cloud has a silver, if not gold lining

 

[Silly Sausage]

I disagree, you are employed for your skill and knowledge.... so not making sure the client is aware of Part P is IMHO dishonest.

And when you do...
"Not interested, get on with it"
I know my work is near 100% good enough, if they don't care, neither do I.
I and my (very occasional domestic) customer aren't paying The Council or some scheme a load of cash for, for what is basically, SOD ALL!

 

[Octopus]

which again makes me ask what you think being a scam member has to do with making a client aware/enlightened....whatever....

The decent ones do it by the book - that's my answer and I'm guessing you go round on a horse.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

The decent ones do it by the book - that's my answer and I'm guessing you go round on a horse.

explain please....lol...

 

[Plonker 3]

Well..... round my way all the Solicitors are very hot on looking for recent work which involved planning permission and/or building control then asking for all the paperwork, Part P included - and I get work to do EICR's so every cloud has a silver, if not gold lining

So these solicitors are going to prosecute the people they are asking about the works they have had carried out?

unless any quote says to notify inline with Part P,and it hasn't been I can not see who they are going to chase for it?

 

[Octopus]

Every time these debates start up those who dig in and state that its the home owners responsibility, no ones been prosecuted, etc, etc are probably the same twxts who get pxssed up, then drive home, using their mobile in their hand....time for bed said Zebedee..

 

[Silly Sausage]

Every time these debates start up those who dig in and state that its the home owners responsibility, no ones been prosecuted, etc, etc are probably the same twxts who get pxssed up, then drive home, using their mobile in their hand....time for bed said Zebedee..

I got kicked to touch by someone because I told her the job needs notifying, a CU swap and a load of extra sockets.
You want to see the hatchet job she got instead!!!
Being scheme registered and notifying to The Council means sweet FA in my eyes.

BOING!!!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I got kicked to touch by someone because I told her the job needs notifying, a CU swap and a load of extra sockets.
You want to see the hatchet job she got instead!!!
Being scheme registered and notifying to The Council means sweet FA in my eyes.

BOING!!!

never mind...

oh and i still think florence is a virgin....boing boing boing...

starting to sound like a baggies fan...

 

[Silly Sausage]

I used to come home from school and watch The Magic Roundabout, just as well I hadn't discovered Acid by then.........

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I used to come home from school and watch The Magic Roundabout, just as well I hadn't discovered Acid by then.........