Am I being pedantic?

[yellowvanman]

Did an EICR today and found that 2 weeks ago a fairly well know heater company removed a number of storage heaters and then replaced some of the DP switches with 13A sockets to plug their heaters into, plus a couple for general use!

Not a RCD in the house - all circuits on re-wireable fuses.

Changed the normal C3 for sockets not protected by a RCD to a C2!

Am I being pedantic?

 

[telectrix]

nope. you are correct.

 

[dingledong]

Are they still on the economy seven tarrif

 

[davesparks]

What type of heaters have they plugged in to those sockets?

 

[yellowvanman]

Are they still on the economy seven tarrif

Nope ....

 

[yellowvanman]

What type of heaters have they plugged in to those sockets?

Fischer Storage Heaters - German Storage Radiators UK

 

[davesparks]

Yes, but what type of heater is it?

 

[yellowvanman]

Yes, but what type of heater is it?

What difference does it make? The off-peak tariff is no longer there so they can be on 24/7.

Some of the 'new' sockets are not near a new heater so are there for 'general' use.

 

[davesparks]

What difference does it make? The off-peak tariff is no longer there so they can be on 24/7.

Some of the 'new' sockets are not near a new heater so are there for 'general' use.

A storage heater will burn through a 13A socket a lot faster than any other heater will.

 

[dingledong]

No your not

 

[yellowvanman]

A storage heater will burn through a 13A socket a lot faster than any other heater will.

Largest heater installed was 1900W, had a sealed plug on the flex.

 

[snowhead]

Must be O.K;

Fischer guarantees that the installation process of your German storage heaters occurs professionally and on time! As members of the N.I.C.E.I.C (National Inspection Council for Electrical Installations), we employ a team of professional, fully qualified, electricians. Our team covers the whole of Britain, from John O’Groats through to Land’s End! We’re even available throughout Northern Ireland.

We will ensure that everything has been fitted to the correct standards and if practical, make any alterations to make sure your left more than satisfied with your new home heating system.
Fischer heaters use less power than night storage heaters. Every kW of heat is delivered into the room more efficiently with our system. We use trickle charge more frequently to top up the storage, we do not need a high kW load like night storage, therefore we can use a normal 13amp socket.

 

[Midwest]

Why don't you 'dob em in' to the niceic.

 

[Midwest]

Seems it standard practise for them to replace DP switch with socket outlet;

FAQ: Do you have to use the Economy 7 point or can it plug into a 13amp plug?

If the house is using Economy 7, the heater would be connected to that Economy 7 socket. However this would be converted by our installers to a normal 13 amp socket so that the heater can be used at any time of the day or night and still use the off-peak energy for the first few hours of the morning.

As they cover the whole of the UK, 'Our team covers the whole of Britain, from John O’Groats through to Land’s End! We’re even available throughout Northern Ireland', wonder how many other places they've done this?

All their pics, show heaters connected via DP switch though.

 

[yellowvanman]

Spoke to their head electrician today, and he seemed a bit annoyed that someone was 'lazy' to do this. If he used a DP switch or SFS then all would have been Ok, but easier to put in a socket and use the moulded plug!

They've asked me to rectifiy and charge them, by doing whatever is necessary:
1) Changed sockets for an RCD socket
2) Change sockets back to SFSs
3) Put a 'in-line' RCD on the tails to the off-peak CU (now peak use).

 

[Midwest]

Is it not down to them to put right what they should of done in the first place. Your customer needs to get them back and put right, or take this matter further.

 

[yellowvanman]

Is it not down to them to put right what they should of done in the first place. Your customer needs to get them back and put right, or take this matter further.

As they would have to travel half way across the country they have asked me to fix, not too difficult to do.

Replace 1 gang sockets for RCD sockets or put an inline RCD for the 'off-peak' CU.

Now given all details to the customer to negiotiate a discount on his bill for the heaters!

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Did an EICR today and found that 2 weeks ago a fairly well know heater company removed a number of storage heaters and then replaced some of the DP switches with 13A sockets to plug their heaters into, plus a couple for general use!

Not a RCD in the house - all circuits on re-wireable fuses.

Changed the normal C3 for sockets not protected by a RCD to a C2!

Am I being pedantic?

I'm not sure why you consider the lack of RCD protection 'potentially dangerous'.... unless the sockets are likely to supply equipment outdoors?

 

[yellowvanman]

I'm not sure why you consider the lack of RCD protection 'potentially dangerous'.... unless the sockets are likely to supply equipment outdoors?

Because it contravenes reg 411.3.3 as it was done 2 weeks previous. i realise that there are other sockets without RCD protection in the house but they were installed before this reg was created.

 

[J.C.E]

Because it contravenes reg 411.3.3 as it was done 2 weeks previous. i realise that there are other sockets without RCD protection in the house but they were installed before this reg was created.

guessing they were not labled not for general use?
Maybe they carried out a risk assessment