Building Control Route for notifiable?

[marshr02]

Okay. Deep breath.

Qualified electrician (C&G2381,2391), not a member of any competent person schemes because I only do one or two jobs per year (my day job isn't as an electrician)

I would like to use the local building control route for Part P work. As I am doing the work, only I can complete the EIC. If I notify LABC prior to starting (using a 'Building Notice') how do they assess my work?

- is an Electrical Contractor employed on contract to the LABC, who will carry out a PIR?
- OR does the Electrical Contractor, supervise first fix, second fix, and issue a report for LABC- but not EIC, PIR...

I ask this forum, becuase maybe someone has been employed by LABC to assess electrical work...

Cheers for any help..

 

[Spudnik]

No 2 is the usual.

What you must also think about is that some LABC's charge anything from £100 upwards for this service, so if you are only fitting a few downlights for instance then it could loose you the job by the time you add this on top of your quote.

 

[marshr02]

Thanks Jason. I only work for myself, or friends & family though. So I need to stop work before first fix is covered up. And also I guess the contractor needs 2 visits....

 

[Spudnik]

Thanks Jason. I only work for myself, or friends & family though. So I need to stop work before first fix is covered up. And also I guess the contractor needs 2 visits....

I would advise you to contact your LABC and ask them what is required and the cost.

 

[marshr02]

To be honest - I think they are a bit disorganised on the whole topic...and don't know what to do. But you're right - I'll contact them..

 

[Spudnik]

They are very disorganised as Part P was thrown on them when they didnt really want it.

 

[WarrenG]

To be honest - I think they are a bit disorganised on the whole topic...and don't know what to do. But you're right - I'll contact them..

Marshr02 there some more info here on the the way it is supposed to be done:

Building work, replacements and repairs to your home - Planning, building and the environment - Communities and Local Government

 

[marshr02]

Thanks WarrenG. Unfortunately it all falls down if you take the notify Building Control direct route. They literally are running scared about how to assess the work - and talking to colleagues across the country all LABC departments have been coming to different conclusions.

I was even told once when contacting LABC that the work would need to be done by a competent person scheme i.e. there wasn't then in reality a second option other than employing someone from a competant person scheme.


What about this for an option:

- I know only the person doing the install can complete the EIC
- I know competant person schemes warn about certifying the work of others
- What about if I do all the rough work, chasing out, installing the back boxes, running the cables, and wiring up the faceplates
BUT; the cct is not energised, ALL the cable route is left exposed.
if needs be the electrician can strip cable & replace.

Are their electricians willing, and legally able, to finish this work as their own; as if the apprentice had started the job?

Total guess, but assuming I've done my bit correctly (C&G2381,2391), then it's a morning of visual checks, powering up, and electrical tests - followed by an afternoon of doing the appropriate paperwork. I'm guessing after adding an amount for fixed overheads a bill of £400 would cover? Is this a reasonable price - don't shoot me down folks....

PS. The work = Kitchen sockets, hob, oven, and kitchen lights

 

[Spudnik]

You may find a registered sparks in your area that would come in and view first fix, then when plastered do testing and paperwork etc, but its gonna be tricky.

Trouble is, its the scheme providers that wont allow it, as this is what Part P states.

BUT, the council are allowed to appoint someone to do it.

Madness eh?

 

[marshr02]

I think the electrician should be able to make a professional judgement on whether to work on a part started project - rather than Part P schemes barring him.

What if I employ an electrican, am not happy with the work, and get someone else in? They start again from scratch? Seems mad.

If we ensure electricians under Part P are competant folk - then we allow them to make the decision using their professional judgement.

I reckon banning commisioning work is a commercial decision by Part P schemes to maximise their profits.

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out of interest Jason, why the need for two trips? Can the faceplates be screwed on prior to plastering?

If replacing faceplates because of wear & tear isn't notifiable - then surely I can remove faceplates for the purposes of plastering? (obviously ensuring the cct is dead & labelled dead with mechanical restriction for accidental turning on )

 

[WarrenG]

An inspector could come out for first and second fix to make sure the installation is being installed to BS7671.

Even if everything was upto scratch and the testing was complete the Inspector would only be allowed to sign the Inspection & Testing part of a 3 signature BS7671 Electrical Installation Certificate.

So if you are looking to have a BS7671 certificate at the end of the project, then the installer will have to sign the other 2 area's and be able to prove to be competency.

 

[marshr02]

The BS7671 certificate is not the same as certifiable Part P compliant. I can legitimately complete an EIC as a Chartered Engineer - it's just that for 'dwellings' Building Control Part P also applies....

 

[WarrenG]

If your talking about a LABC pass off then thats a different story, they won't issue an EIC.

 

[marshr02]

I can issue an EIC...

 

[WarrenG]

I can issue an EIC...

Way I see it you have two choices:

Building control route,

or an approved registered electrician.

 

[marshr02]

Thanks WarrenG - especially for the other posts.

The whole point of this post though is to get info on the building control option of the two. In particular how they assess a building control application for electrical work...

 

[Spudnik]

In particular how they assess a building control application for electrical work...

Its pretty much as we have said.

They are your only compliant options.

Good luck

 

[marshr02]

Thanks Guys for the replies. I am a little frustrated because of misunderstandings.

I know these are the only two compliant options - I want peoples experience of the building control route.....

 

[Spudnik]

- I want peoples experience of the building control route.....

Sorry i thought you were asking how to go about it

Ill put me specs on next time!

 

[marshr02]

LOL. Nice post...

 

[piggyitm]

I'm reading this thread because I would like to rewire a domestic.Can anyone give any serious imput as to what is required by any of the local building councils regarding the "passing off" of the installation,and the extra costs generated?

 

[WarrenG]

I'm reading this thread because I would like to rewire a domestic.Can anyone give any serious imput as to what is required by any of the local building councils regarding the "passing off" of the installation,and the extra costs generated?

Seriously you are much better to contact your own local LABC directly as they all do work slightly differently for different areas regarding pricing and the system they use.

One thing is for sure is that the LABC will not issue you an Electrical Installation Certificate if the passing off is done through them alone.

 

[piggyitm]

Cheers Warren.....As far as i'm aware tho,a dwelling will need an EIC,so who would it be up to to provide one?

 

[WarrenG]

Cheers Warren.....As far as i'm aware tho,a dwelling will need an EIC,so who would it be up to to provide one?

Even if an electrician from an approved scheme were to see the work at first fix and second fix and then inspect and test, they would only be able to sign for the inspection & test part of the certification.

Therefore the designer and installer of the installation would have to sign the other two signatures for the completion of the cert.

If the work was carried out by an electrician from an approved scheme that could sign all signatures as a designer, installer and inspector and tester, then a cert could be issued no problem and the LABC being dealt with by them.

 

[shep]

here's how it works at my LABC

1. Submit building notice for work.....at a cost of £120 !!!
2. Notify them 48hrs in advance when you are starting
3. You start..inspector tuns up ..have a chat about job with regards circuits,cable routing,cu etc etc
4. You finish, do testing, fill out eic
5. Leave customer eic and send LABC a copy
6. LABC check results on eic. take a few readings to check against eic
7. If all is rosie then they issue a certificate stating that the installation complies with part p of the building regulations.

simple eh ???

by the way my LABC insist that you have recognised qualifications (as you have )

hope this helps