c/u change no Equipotential bonding

[jimjamjimajam]

Hi guys. Am changing a consumer unit but the property has no equi bonding to incoming water. Usually I would make sure it is installed but from where the supply is would be a big job to put it in.
Can I still sign my work off and note that it's been advised or do I insist that the customer pays for the work involved?

 

[Lukethoma1985]

Im pretty sure you cant go ahead with the cu change. I have this all the time. I got a leaflet off the niceic to back me up when i tell the customers. Check with your provider. That way then you can always show the customer the email.

 

[Badged01]

Luke is right, big NO, NO!!

If you are doing a consumer unit change then equipotential bonding MUST be in place to satisfy the requirements of protective measures for automatic disconnection of supply. (Somewhere in Part 4 of the BGB)

No bonding, no consumer unit change Im afraid!

 

[Andy78]

As above, it must be installed.
Quote the customer for the board swap with bonding and leave it with them. Inform them that any cheaper quote that excludes bonding will be against regulations, and ignoring key safety measures.

 

[dave274]

if you've already done the change then you're buggered, you'll have to do it for nowt if they wont pay.

 

[Sparkie30]

Hello and welcome

 

[monkeyelectric]

It has to be done and if you've already changed the cu, i suggest you do it for free otherwise it'll reflect badly on you, they won't be happy and just think you're after more work , always test for things like this before quoting! Although is the water run in plastic?

 

[Octopus]

Every estimate I do for a CU change includes line items for installing/upgrading bonding, another for replacing the tails and finally a caveat that if faults are found additional time, materials and costs may be incurred.

Never had a complaint yet about presenting the information in such a way, this is because I explain it all when I visit.

How anyone can say that they quote for a CU change and not include the bonding is a fool.

 

[stuartcourt]

can you not pick up water any closer than stop cock then test and record it. not great but would get you out a hole

 

[Knobhead]

Hello and welcome

We need more fun in life.

 

[Silly Sausage]

We need more fun in life.

We do!

 

[markc123]

Always wondered what you looked like Archy lol...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Hi guys. Am changing a consumer unit but the property has no equi bonding to incoming water. Usually I would make sure it is installed but from where the supply is would be a big job to put it in.
Can I still sign my work off and note that it's been advised or do I insist that the customer pays for the work involved?

if you dont know the answer to this....then you`v got no business carrying out works on peoples electrical installations...
what a load of complete incompetant twaddle this is....

 

[jimjamjimajam]

Thanks guys, as I thought. Just wanted to double check.

 

[Amp David]

Is this the same as protective bonding guys?

 

[Silly Sausage]

Is this the same as protective bonding guys?

God (IET) knows,whatever they decide they're called these days,
Just green wires from pipes to the MET to me.

 

[FAA Greenie]

Here's the question nobody has asked yet..... Is the water supply pipe plastic?

 

[FAA Greenie]

Urghhhh, I see it has been asked..... Just no reply yet !!

 

[Silly Sausage]

Had a shufty at newly renovated house last year or so ago.
Plastic pipe coming in, brass stop cock, plastic pipe off to the rest of the house.
One guess... :smilielol5:

 

[Knobhead]

No conection to the MET?

Those stopcocks can be down right dangerous if not in bondage.

 

[Amp David]

Here's the question nobody has asked yet..... Is the water supply pipe plastic?

Yes, but we still have a few who argue that even with the incomming supply in plastic, if the internal pipework is metallic, they still insist on installing protective bonding, even with testing to see first.

My personal preferance is to to any incoming services and install accordingly.

 

[monkeyelectric]

Yes, but we still have a few who argue that even with the incomming supply in plastic, if the internal pipework is metallic, they still insist on installing protective bonding, even with testing to see first.

My personal preferance is to to any incoming services and install accordingly.

It would need testing in this instance to see if it introduces a potential, what gets me is when the incoming is plastic and the whole install is plastic yet some posts on here say that they would still insist on a small length of copper by the stop tap to bond to? Seems a pointless waste of copper to me

 

[telectrix]

yep. should all be given to wet-pants to make a complete waste of it.

 

[Andy78]

God (IET) knows,whatever they decide they're called these days,
Just green wires from pipes to the MET to me.

Main protective equipotential electrical safety connection earth bonding conductor cables.
I believe is the correct term :smilewinkgrin:

 

[monkeyelectric]

Main protective equipotential electrical safety connection earth bonding conductor cables.
I believe is the correct term :smilewinkgrin:

Thats a great thing to say to customers! It sounds expensive and worthwhile whereas just "bonding" sounds as if it should cost 10 shillings and is not important

 

[Andy78]

If I said something like that to a customer, I would hope they would throw me out for being full of ****