DO i need to go part P registered?

[laney06]

when applying for your first ever niceic part p registration i understand you have to take the inspctor to 2 of your jobs do these have to be jobs that have been notified to building control or jobs that i have done in the past year and hold a copy of the test sheets myself...

Hi there.

When you undertake work that is 'notifiable', to building control, you have 28 days to do so.
If you submit jobs from the last 12 months for your assessment, then you haven't notified them to building control ( as your not yet part p registered )
So you are not complying with legislation and this is a 'fail' as far as NICEIC are concerned.

The way I done it is this :

Apply for part p registration with a scheme provider (NICEIC, napit, kitemark etc)
Make sure you have your paperwork in order ( public liability cert, qualifications, regs book, on site guide, h&s at work regs, record of calibration checks on your meter, complaints folder, health and safety policy)
Pay your fee.
When you get your assessment date, do two jobs the week before. One minor, one major. ( minor - add an extra socket) ( major- consumer unit change.)
Cert them up on green Certs.
Make sure bonding etc is up to scratch on both jobs, and rcd/rcbo protect the circuit on your minor works ( ie, the jobs comply with current regs)
Put a date of test sticker on the consumer units, so the inspector is aware they are only a week old.
( do one job at your own home, one at a friends or family member)
If questioned by your inspector, you still have 21 days to notify the job, your a qualified electrician and so you knew you only had to demonstrate competency. It takes them a week to process your registration number and another week to ten days to get on the website to notify your jobs.

Hope this helps

Laney

 

[Davecsc]

Hi,

It is worth noting that there are going to be two significant changes in the near future:

1) The current domestic installer qualification is currently only available to be registered on until March 31st 2011. There is a new qualification in the pipeline. The following statement is from EAL

In advance of its QCF launch, the existing Level 2 Certificate in Domestic Electrical Installers VRQ (500/4385/7) has been extended for new registrations until 31 March 2011.

The structure and content of the QCF version is being finalised by SummitSkills in conjunction with industry. It is likely that it will be a Level 3 qualification, with a title such as ‘Level 3 NVQ [Award/Certificate/Diploma] in Installing, Testing and Commissioning Electrical Installation Work in Dwellings in Compliance with the Building Regulations’.

The inclusion of ‘NVQ’ in the draft title implies the qualification will include competence units alongside knowledge units.
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2) I spoke with a gentleman from ELECSA this week regarding what qualifications they accept when registering with the competent persons scheme and currently this is only the 2382 or EAL equiv, 17th Edition (you will need to prove knowledge and competence in other areas also during your inspection but no formal quals are required). FROM JULY 1st you will need the 17th edition and a NVQ Level 3 qualification (he had not received the list of acceptable level 3 quals yet).

Therefore I would suggest contacting the scheme provider you are thinking of joining and find out what they expect now and in the future.

Any questions I can help with then drop me a line.

Dave

 

[beaky1066]

Cheers for the info guys that sounds like a good idea to use the green niceic pad week before examiner arrives. Also I have nvq 3. 17th edition. So should be ok with that side of things. Thanks again folks and keep up the good work

 

[j77wilko]

This was taken from the electrical safety council website about part P

Who is responsible for making sure any work complies with Part P? You are. By law, all home owners and landlords must be able to prove that all electrical wiring meets Part P, or they will be committing a criminal offence.
Local authorities can make homeowners or landlords remove or alter any work that doesn’t meet these Building Regulations.

at no point does it suggest an electrician is responsible for notifying building control to comply with part P?

You can do what you like as long as you comply with the electricity at work act and follow the regulations surely? After all the regulations are more a good practice guide than law since they are none statutory? You are allowed to carry out work if you can prove competency and having your current certificates proves that you are competent. If you follow the regulations there will be no accidents that you can be blamed for and if the building control wish to go to a home owner and tell them off for not getting planning permission then thats the home owners fault. How they would find out a home owner had a job done in the first place is beyond me.

That's my take on part P. It's the home owners responsibility and the funny thing is none of them know it exists.

Another thought is where are all of these certificates kept? Surely the local authority would have to purchase extra buildings just to store these certificates of compliance with the building regs? Im guessing that they go into the garbage at some point? And then the paper trail evidence comes to an end? Does the NICEIC keep a copy forever of every installation that is carried out at every premises for an eternity?

 

[j77wilko]

also from the electrical safety council website

Is it important who carries out the electrical work on your home? Yes. Electrical work must only be carried out by people who have the knowledge, skill and experience needed to avoid danger to themselves and others.

again at no point does it say a part p electrician. It just implies you use a competent electrician.

 

[Des 56]

If your looking for an excuse to be unregistered I must say
Part p has been a fantastic success for the following reasons





It has been shown that many thousands of us are easily duped into contributing hard earned money to a useless cause and that our gullible ness continues unabated
In fact, many extra victims are being produced in short periods to top up and increase the profitability of the sting

It was also amazingly simple and successfully encouraged by our own industry that the government must have thought the average spark to be somewhat backward in not opposing such nonsense as part p, then or now

It benefits many people,all those may I say who happen not to be the contributors to this theft of a working mans earnings



There,that just goes to show,things dont always seem to be what was intended,aka part nonsense