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So you are doing an EICR next year and you are inspecting a consumer unit with these 2 "makes" of RCBO's in it ...
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So you are doing an EICR next year and you are inspecting a consumer unit with these 2 "makes" of RCBO's in it ...
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^^ er and your comment is?
Some people will do anything to keep the top poster of the month.He does that all the time.
Same manufacturer in the op picture but I agree with your comments regarding different brands usedThe manufacturers of those two RCBOs have made a conscious attempt to differentiate them selves from each other by branding them differently.
It's not for the end user, installer or even inspector to jump to the conclusion that just because both manufacturers have used the same style of casing, which may well be made by the same manufacturer, that the product inside is exactly the same - I think I would struggle to form a decent court-worthy argument that the reg relates to the manufacturer of the casing and because they look similar the different brands can be ignored.
Substituting a product which looks similar but carries a less well known brand is almost always done for financial reasons and I think a judge or jury would be likely to pick up on that.
C3.
It’s an issue that deserves attention now and not only when the 18th edition is in full force
I report on them all the time.I've given you a disagreed because I don't think I've ever seen an EICR where different OEM parts have even been commented on , let alone coded
I report on them all the time.
I had a Hager rcbo stuffed into a 3 phase dorman Smith DB which did not line up on the bus bar properly so it was coded.
As the rcbo did not fit on the din rail and the cover had been filed so it fit then I applied a C2 in that case.What code did you apply?
I don't have one I did have one, but thought better of it and pressed the button, does that answer your questions, Murdoch and Anthonybragg and to add I couldn't really give a ---- about top poster, so that remark was uncalled for.^^ er and your comment is?
As long as they are not subject to a product recall. for whatever reason, if my memory serves me well.No code for me as lewden brought CGD ages ago. They are manufactured in the same plant they’ve always been and a simple email to lewden will confirm they are designed for boards labeled as CGD. No different to when Schneider brought square D.
Couldn't be bothered to look up the relevant regulation regarding this issue, something you should all be aware of.
Likewise.I report on them all the time.
Was only jesting with you Pete as I am sure were ESSEX and Murdoch, Sorry if you didn't see it in the same light.I don't have one I did have one, but thought better of it and pressed the button, does that answer your questions, Murdoch and Anthonybragg and to add I couldn't really give a **** about top poster, so that remark was uncalled for.
Right OKWas only jesting with you Pete as I am sure were ESSEX and Murdoch, Sorry if you didn't see it in the same light.
Right OK
No need for apologies AntWas only jesting with you Pete as I am sure were ESSEX and Murdoch, Sorry if you didn't see it in the same light.
The manufacturers of those two RCBOs have made a conscious attempt to differentiate them selves from each other by branding them differently.
It's not for the end user, installer or even inspector to jump to the conclusion that just because both manufacturers have used the same style of casing, which may well be made by the same manufacturer, that the product inside is exactly the same - I think I would struggle to form a decent court-worthy argument that the reg relates to the manufacturer of the casing and because they look similar the different brands can be ignored.
Substituting a product which looks similar but carries a less well known brand is almost always done for financial reasons and I think a judge or jury would be likely to pick up on that.
C3.
I didn't realise it was the same brand - I don't often use Lewden.Same manufacturer in the op picture but I agree with your comments regarding different brands used
You know I think we can get a bit carried away at times on here, I'd love to know where two different makes of RCBO in the same DB, both correctly fitted and of identical dimensions and characteristics could result in an installer or inspector ending up in front of a judge and jury !
Shirly the only thing that matters from a technical perspective is that the bus bar makes proper contact with the feed terminal of the breaker.
Maybe unlikely, but do you not think if anything (perhaps unrelated) were to go wrong a solicitor would jump on the fact that a 'professional' had wilfully ignored their own industry's code of best practice?You know I think we can get a bit carried away at times on here, I'd love to know where two different makes of RCBO in the same DB, both correctly fitted and of identical dimensions and characteristics could result in an installer or inspector ending up in front of a judge and jury !
So you would just disregard that regulation then would you Neil?Agreed. Ridiculous comment.
So you would just disregard that regulation then would you Neil?
What other regulations would you choose to ignore? All of them?
It's people like you that give the industry a bad name.
Which comment was that then? Because the comment I made (which you disagreed with) was about not assuming that different products are the same just because they come in similar looking packaging.I was talking about the judge, jury and executioner comment over an MCB made in the same factory, by the same people but with a different sticker on.
Which comment was that then? Because the comment I made (which you disagreed with) was about not assuming that different products are the same just because they come in similar looking packaging.
So what would be your reasoning for departing from regulations relating to mixing different brands in the same distribution board?
Off topic but you can have a private water supply.My thoughts have always been, that Type tested boards are just to increase breaking capacity.
Type tested boards under the old standards, were rated at 16kA, whereas the individual components may only have been rated at 1kA.
As such, as long as every component fits correctly and has an individual breaking capacity greater than the PFC, there would have been no problem.
This new requirement which came into force for domestic installations with the 17th edition 3rd amendment and will now apply to all installations, requires all boards to be type tested and I assume have an overall breaking capacity of 16kA.
How that applies to installations with a PFC greater than 16kA, I do not know?
Perhaps the overall breaking capacity for non-domestic boards will be greater?
My main concern, is that this is another requirement that does nothing to improve safety.
I also wonder whether this requirement is legal?
Back in the 80s, the government started a process that is supposed to increase our choices.
We can now get our electricity from from a supermarket, our gas from a phone company our water from..... actually, we’re not allowed to get water from anyone other than our local water company, but you get the gist.
The manufacturers of those two RCBOs have made a conscious attempt to differentiate them selves from each other by branding them differently.
It's not for the end user, installer or even inspector to jump to the conclusion that just because both manufacturers have used the same style of casing, which may well be made by the same manufacturer, that the product inside is exactly the same - I think I would struggle to form a decent court-worthy argument that the reg relates to the manufacturer of the casing and because they look similar the different brands can be ignored.
Substituting a product which looks similar but carries a less well known brand is almost always done for financial reasons and I think a judge or jury would be likely to pick up on that.
C3.
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