Fake JIB Cards and City & Guilds Qualifications

[RWJ]

Today we have been contacted by another company based in Essex who in the past we have supplied subcontract work to.

They employed a "fake" spark in May this year who's qualifications and JIB card were high quality fakes.

The company who employ a moderate amount of staff, know what a real JIB card and C&G Certs look like were taken in.
The JIB card was a "top notch" fake compete with hologram (It's probably better quality than mine then... Think the JIB ran out of colour ink when printing mine!!)

I've seen a scanned copy of the JIB card and I would have said it was REAL.

I'm not too sure on the C & G certs as they weren't attached to the email, but we got the impression after my boss had a chat with the company owner they were older style (Typewriter font) certificates.

He only got rumbled because he DID NOT HAVE A CLUE. They gave him a few weeks to settle in, but it was obvious that he'd "not even done a 5 day course".


Just be aware of the VERY GOOD QUALITY FAKES out there!!





PS I'm glad this is today and not last week.... Or this would have been turned into yet another JIB slagging threads, by certain now ex members.

 

[imago]

The problem comes if they are cloned cards. Real person, real qualifications, just not belonging to the bloke in front of you. All the details check out, and because the photo is correct no reason to doubt.

 

[Paul.M]

The problem comes if they are cloned cards. Real person, real qualifications, just not belonging to the bloke in front of you. All the details check out, and because the photo is correct no reason to doubt.

Until you check those details against his driving licence or passport.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Perhaps if employers asked proper questions along the lines of 2391 at interview such as the importance of taking zs readings and why we do so plus rule of thumb etc it would catch em out. I meen anybody undertaking isp and test should know this stuff....

I've mentioned this in a previous thread, I wrote my own 'pre-employment assessment' that we use for agency guys or even subbies that we need for short term work, it's been brilliant with one guy scoring 6 out of 25 when applying for a periodic inspection role!!

 

[SW1970]

What's the pass mark? (joke!)

 

[RWJ]

What's the pass mark? (joke!)

If IQ's set the questions to test himself.... Then about 30% would be good for any qualified spark

 

[IQ Electrical]

It's a great method of filtering, they're practical questions to ensure correct completion of the schedule of inspections-the most abused document ever!

I included things like disconnection times, IR test voltages, a couple on RCD testing-the emphasis always was the practical on-site side of things rather than the City & Guilds textbook stuff.

We don't have much call for drawing earth fault return paths on our periodics!

 

[Sparky Ninja]

it's been brilliant with one guy scoring 6 out of 25 when applying for a periodic inspection role!!

I tried my best FFS!!!

 

[imago]

Why would that make a difference? Either of those can be false. Identity theft is all too easywhen people don't look after their documents.

Until you check those details against his driving licence or passport.

 

[malcolmsanford]

It's a great method of filtering, they're practical questions to ensure correct completion of the schedule of inspections-the most abused document ever!

I included things like disconnection times, IR test voltages, a couple on RCD testing-the emphasis always was the practical on-site side of things rather than the City & Guilds textbook stuff.

We don't have much call for drawing earth fault return paths on our periodics!

So bringing my BROWN/BLUE/GREEN multi pen to the interview was a mistake then??

 

[IQ Electrical]

You go into a property/site etc and 1 look tels you what type of earthing is being employed etc so anyone who can`t get there head around that one shouldn`t be inspecting...simple.

You would seriously be amazed, I tested 3 police offices last week, previously done by a large national outfit, the earth system type was incorrect on each one and the rest of the results were absolute fabrication.

The installation and supply hadn't changed yet if I measured an r1 on a ring final at say 0.49 Ohms, they would have it entered at 0.17 Ohms and this sort of anomoly went right through the reports.

This is what we see week in, week out, it's so rare to find a decent periodic.

That's why I get a little tetchy when I see posts on the forum saying:

"I'm doing a periodic and the boiler isn't cross-bonded"

"There's 3 cables in an MCB"

"why is my Zs much lower than Ze + (R1+R2)?"

"I've found an exported earth on PME"

These are not questions that a competent inspector should be asking ON a periodic and I just know that it's exactly that type of person that produces the stuff that we come across 5 years later!

 

[IQ Electrical]

So bringing my BROWN/BLUE/GREEN multi pen to the interview was a mistake then??

You brought red, black and green!

 

[malcolmsanford]

You brought red, black and green!

I was trying to be upto to date .................yes ok it was red but still I labelled it all correctly !!! and I put in the little arrows showing the direction, so ok I got protection device mixed up with nail, and transformer winding mixed up with phone charger , but it looked good

 

[IQ Electrical]

Just coppying values from old schedule of tests IQ. Apparenty it went on a lot with "contractors" rewireing council stock at one time....maybe it still does? There was a guy on here a while backinvolved in doing this type of work saying they were expected to inspect and test 4 YES THATS 4 houses per day and the "inspector and tester" was a 17 year old just coppying values down.......scandelous!

I remember seeing the post and another one that was testing bookies shops, his colleague apparently 'tested' a few shops but the client hadn't handed the keys over so no access had been granted!!!

 

[millwall ken]

This is why mini assessments at interviews and inductions should be more enforced.

I don't see why more companies don't do this as well. My firm did. I came bottom - explains why I got the job...........

 

[bigbob1]

i'd love to know what finally happened, what rumbled the guy? did he go through 10 sets of ct's in a week all blown to bits?!

 

[sbrown2]

I always thought when getting a job its not what you know but who you know. Or the interviewer wants to know how you will fit into the existing team.

 

[IQ Electrical]

I always thought when getting a job its not what you know but who you know. Or the interviewer wants to know how you will fit into the existing team.

There's a bit more to my selection process than "who do you know"

Anyone using that criteria as interview questions for selecting competent persons won't be lasting long in this business.

 

[bigbob1]

Never been out of work yet and i don't know many other sparks personally. Guess i show it in my work ethics.