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[Corpy76]

Hi all

Anyone in the Hull area might be interested in a free 2394/2395 course! I phoned Hull Collage on Thursday to speak about my apprentice and while I was on the phone they told me about funding etc. It's for firms with less than 250 employees, already passed the number on to my mate and he's signed up too. I was looking to do them anyway as my 2391 is 15 years old! Only thing is its night classes Where my preference is block courses, saved me £900.00 though. Happy days

 

[guest119]

What is wrong with a 15yr old 2391?

Boydy

 

[Andy78]

If you have your 2391 then you don't need the 2394/5 buddy. Regardless thanks for the info, I will look into it.

 

[Engineer54]

Your C&G 2391 is probably worth more than the newer and easier to pass C&G 2394/95. If you want to improve yourself, then go down the C&G 2396-20 design course. For the life of me i can't see the reasoning behind holding a duplicate qualification?? Totally beyond me?? ...lol!!

 

[Corpy76]

If you have your 2391 then you don't need the 2394/5 buddy. Regardless thanks for the info, I will look into it.

Its free and it proberley won't be long before the 2391 isn't recognised just like all those blokes who did 2360 or old fashion apprenticeships and have been doing the Job 25 years ago and now can't "according to the JIB" can't call themselves electricians.

Anyway I've lost my cert and it's £35 for a replacement.

 

[guest119]

proberley won't be long before the 2391 isn't recognised just like all those blokes who did 2360 or old fashion apprenticeships and have been doing the Job 25 years ago and now can't "according to the JIB" can't call themselves electricians.

I dont understand any of this.

Boydy

 

[Engineer54]

Its free and it proberley won't be long before the 2391 isn't recognised just like all those blokes who did 2360 or old fashion apprenticeships and have been doing the Job 25 years ago and now can't "according to the JIB" can't call themselves electricians.

Anyway I've lost my cert and it's £35 for a replacement.

What???? Absolute Rubbish!! Where do you get you're information from Mr & Mrs Hearsay??

 

[silverfox1]

Cheers for info corpy76

 

[lockhes]

ringing on monday cheers who you speak to at hull collagw

 

[paul wild]

Many thanks for the info
well worth a phone call to find out more
cheers
paul

 

[Badged01]

.. For the life of me i can't see the reasoning behind holding a duplicate qualification??

Im with you there and I dont intend to upgrade my 2391 but unfortunately in the not too distant future I can see that when you go for a job holding the 2391 the young admin girl or HR associate will not recognise it. I can hear a response along the lines of, "my employment handbook says the only inspection qualification is C&G blah, blah, blah, it doesnt mention a 2391, that must be an old qualification that isnt valid anymore!"

Luckily Im waiting to be put out to pasture but for the "youngish" electricians still with mortgages and kids to feed they may well be forced into upgrading. Ching, ching, I can hear a cash cow being milked somewhere ........

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Your C&G 2391 is probably worth more than the newer and easier to pass C&G 2394/95. If you want to improve yourself, then go down the C&G 2396-20 design course. For the life of me i can't see the reasoning behind holding a duplicate qualification?? Totally beyond me?? ...lol!!

well..its more than just that though isn`t it...

someone now wants to take up a place gaining what is essentially a newer version of a qual he has held for (by his own admission) 15 years.....selfish and greedy if you ask me..

to the OP:

thanks for the info but dont you think the right thing to do would be to move aside and let others take this opportunity to gain this qual and improve themselves.....or was it a case of `lets see how many likes n thanks this little number will generate`?

 

[telectrix]

you cynical sod. :50:

 

[Engineer54]

Im with you there and I dont intend to upgrade my 2391 but unfortunately in the not too distant future I can see that when you go for a job holding the 2391 the young admin girl or HR associate will not recognise it. I can hear a response along the lines of, "my employment handbook says the only inspection qualification is C&G blah, blah, blah, it doesnt mention a 2391, that must be an old qualification that isnt valid anymore!"

Luckily Im waiting to be put out to pasture but for the "youngish" electricians still with mortgages and kids to feed they may well be forced into upgrading. Ching, ching, I can hear a cash cow being milked somewhere ........

I don't see that happening now with older C&G qualifications, most of which are generally held in higher esteem than those qualification numbers that replaced them. So if my indentured apprenticeship and qualification without any NVQ/AM2 (weren't needed or even thought about) is still recognized after 40+ years, i can't see as anyone having a problem.

Out of interest, can anyone think of any C&G qualification course, that bettered the course number it replaced?? Personally i can't, but i'm open to be To be persuaded otherwise.

To be honest, all i'm seeing these days, are many additional courses, in some cases with ridiculous level status. that were at one time part and parcel of the core qualification course....

 

[electricshock]

I need to do inspection and testing but found it too expensive. How much would this one cost. Only 2 employees in a company

 

[electricshock]

I'm from Birmingham

Is it 1 day a week course or a few days together. I would have to travel too much if it was a day a week.

 

[ian.settle1]

Its free and it proberley won't be long before the 2391 isn't recognised just like all those blokes who did 2360 or old fashion apprenticeships and have been doing the Job 25 years ago and now can't "according to the JIB" can't call themselves electricians.

What a load of twoddle

 

[BrightSparx]

I don't think it's a daft move, it's like updating yourself as you can guarantee 2391 won't be recognised for certain things in time to come. Taking a free course regardless of wether you have the older qualification is a no brainier to me! If 2391 does get outdated he's just saved himself £900, if he hasn't then he hasn't lost out on anything apart from a bit of time!

 

[Engineer54]

I don't think it's a daft move, it's like updating yourself as you can guarantee 2391 won't be recognised for certain things in time to come. Taking a free course regardless of wether you have the older qualification is a no brainier to me! If 2391 does get outdated he's just saved himself £900, if he hasn't then he hasn't lost out on anything apart from a bit of time!

And you call yourself ''BrightSparx'' Jesus!! lol!!

Using that sort of inept thinking, perhaps you should also go back and undertake the 2360/2330 courses again, ....because they are 15+ years old.

In other words it's a ''NO BRAINER'' that you're time is far better spent, obtaining a qualification that you DON'T hold!!! eg ...it's called IMPROVING yourself, ....rather than be in standing still mode!!

Absolutely Amazing, ....can't see the wood for the tree's!!

 

[DPG]

well..its more than just that though isn`t it...

someone now wants to take up a place gaining what is essentially a newer version of a qual he has held for (by his own admission) 15 years.....selfish and greedy if you ask me..

to the OP:

thanks for the info but dont you think the right thing to do would be to move aside and let others take this opportunity to gain this qual and improve themselves.....or was it a case of `lets see how many likes n thanks this little number will generate`?

So someone tries to give a pointer to a free course and you accuse of him of just doing it for likes and thanks??!! You may as well say that to anyone who tries to offer help at any time. Daz

 

[Guest55]

never have i seen a thread so full of inaccuracies and general fail of biblical proportions.

at least everyones given it the kicking it deserved lol

 

[silverfox1]

Maybe like a lot of sparks who have 2391 he has not done any testing for years and doing the free course will be a refresher.

 

[DPG]

Nothing wrong with a refresh every few years, in any field. Daz

 

[Guest55]

if sparks are testing their own installations as they should then no-one ought be out of practice surely ??

 

[telectrix]

you can refresh by opening GN3 and having a gander through the BGB. elctric's the same as it was 15 years ago, 60 years ago. practical experience using the tools should negate any need for refreshing, unless you got altzeimers, in which case you'll probably forget where the course is held.

 

[silverfox1]

if sparks are testing their own installations as they should then no-one ought be out of practice surely ??

Point taken but very few large contractors test there own jobs most sub testing out , so approved spark cards in working for large contractor may very well not have picked MFT up since taking his exam.

 

[lockhes]

well i rang hull college today and its not free and never heard of anyone getting it free

 

[guest119]

well i rang hull college today and its not free and never heard of anyone getting it free

Maybe your accent, are you local?

Boydy

 

[Engineer54]

Maybe like a lot of sparks who have 2391 he has not done any testing for years and doing the free course will be a refresher.

Never taken any C&G inspection and testing qualification courses (probably because there weren't any!!), only those set by the company i trained with, Which were officially verified and issued by an official recognised body, that i can't for the life of me remember the name of. Those courses covered far more than what's contained in 2391, or it's replacement, so why for arguments sake, would i want to take the C&G course!!

 

[lockhes]

Maybe your accent, are you local?

Boydy

haha well im 10mins away from the college

been told to ask to be put through to the department and speak to them

 

[grandfortune]

What???? Absolute Rubbish!! Where do you get you're information from Mr & Mrs Hearsay??

Well I have to take an NVQ , past part 1 and 2 in 1986 full appentaship

didnt receive a apprentice certificate at the end or a deeds.

spoke to many sparks that were in the same year as me, never had a appentice cert either .

None of us can get a gold card so have to do a NVQ


WHERE U GETTING YOUR INFORMATION FROM???

 

[D Skelton]

Your C&G 2391 is probably worth more than the newer and easier to pass C&G 2394/95.

You know I love ya Eng but this isn't entirely accurate. The 2394/95 is harder to pass than the 2391, not much harder, but harder none the less! Not entirely because of content, but because for some reason whoever wrote the questions for the 2391 has obviously retired and the new kid who writes the questions has no grasp at all of the english language. The questions are harder on the 2395 written and I've done both so I speak from experience. As well as two practicals (testing, then inspection and coding [two differant boards]), three if you count the fault finding section as well, there's also an online for the new 2395 which if I'm right about 60-70% fail first time. The 2394 also has two practials (visual faults and IV), and a written, the written being easier than the 2395.

If you don't believe me PM me as I have three sets of 2395 papers and a load more sets of 2391 papers, you're more than welcome to compare to see if you concur!

I'm by no means trying to undermine the 2391, but the layout of the new qualification, the extra practical sections, the additional online and the poorly worded questions I believe all combine to make the new one slightly harder than the old. I believe the average pass rate is slightly lower than that of the 2391 also.

That said, neither the 2391 or the 2394/95 are anywhere near as hard as they should be IMHO!

 

[Badged01]

...... elctric's the same as it was 15 years ago, 60 years ago...

Thats utter rubbish, C&G have deemed its changed!

They have had to bring out more exams and split old exams into two because someone has discovered something new with electrickery that wasnt there before! Im now waiting for someone to realise we need a 4th wire in basic circuits to account for this new found electrickery theory.

If you havent done the new 2365 or the 2394/2395 then I suggest you enrol straight away so you can discover what you dont know about this new electrickery change (and of course provide some much needed funds into the C&G coffers!)

All your previous electrical work may need re-visiting to ensure it conforms to the latest electrickery theory ...... ensure you're not caught short in your profession young man (or in your case I guess old geazer!)

 

[Badged01]

p.s. Just thought Id quickly add a disclaimer before the "no-win-no-fee" brigade come chasing me ........ The previous post was written in light banter and bears no slight on the professional conduct of the C&G in improving electrical standards or on the capability of 'electricians' not trained to the latest exacting professional standards in line with recent developments in electricity.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Maybe your accent, are you local?

Boydy

"Ay up like. That tharrr eeeeeeelectrical coarssssse, be it free fer loooooooo-cal folk, like?"

try that. Might work.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Ps using it as a refresher, if its free and you have the spare time won't hurt. But not needed to replace 2391. I won't ever be updating mine. It was hard enough!. Once you've got that certificate, its like a driving licence. Its yours (in fact better because it won't be taken off you if you get bladdered and 'drive', or get really old, you still have it)

 

[Andy78]

Maybe your accent, are you local?

Boydy

"Ay up like. That tharrr eeeeeeelectrical coarssssse, be it free fer loooooooo-cal folk, like?"

try that. Might work.

Wi durnt talk lark that ovva in Ull yer know. Ere, get yersen learned ...

http://www.greengates.karoo.net/hull/speak.html

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Lol. Need a geography lesson too.

Hulls near greenland isn't it ;-)

 

[Andy78]

Nah not really. If you are taking the M62 to Holland, its on the way.

 

[paul wild]

I spoke to collage on Tuesday
it's true no fee at all , have a meeting with them next week at our office looks like courses start in the next few weeks,
cant fault it can you