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They told me I was a level 1 trainee.....
 

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Think you need NVQ 2356 mate, to meet the JIb definition of a spark, then you would also meet the definition of approved!
 

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Lack of NVQ 3, i can never understand why people go sit the 2391 yet completley miss out the 2356 NVQ3 which is easier, must be a cost thing
 

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Phoned the j I b up and told them my quals

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They told me I was a level 1 trainee.....

I contacted them a couple of years ago out of general enquiry. I gave them all my credentials, history blah blah blah I was told I could be graded as a provisional technician or an improver.

Luckily I have no dependence on the JIB and never will - the JIB are a wasted opportunity.
 
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It wasn't so much a cost thing......I just done the 2330 and got a distinction on the testing & inspection so was told to sit the 2391, 3 day course over a weekend and the exam on the Wednesday so that just came in a flash, I am also a NAPIT member so had 12/18 months to gain the 2391 from acceptance! Guess I will have to go about taking photos and do the nvq now!!......"yes mrs smith there is your new light fitting, would you mind taking a photo of me fitting it?"!!
 

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IMO- Nvq is a waste of time and possibly the worst thought out qualification ever! BUT the JIB have set a minimum standard for a sparks and it includes it - You should be able to blitz it, theres nothing hard about it just time consuming!
 
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I have had a look online and xs training do a online one with a E-portfolio And I just download my pictures to that.....£550 + vat......seems ok?
 

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The Nvq is part of every new electrical apprenticeship and if you completed your apprenticeship before the time of the Nvq the JIB will still give your an electrician status.

Whats the problem?!?!? Complete your apprenticeship thoroughly and you'll get the card!!

At least the JIB can recognize an electrician who was once mentored and taught by another rather than an electrician who taught himself. Thank god for the JIB otherwise we will have no industry whatsoever!!!
 

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Think you need NVQ 2356 mate, to meet the JIb definition of a spark, then you would also meet the definition of approved!
Yes as as long as you have been a graded electrician for a minimum of two years and hold the 2391 certificate then you would become approved.

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I always thought you had to have NVQ level 2 & 3 to be a JIB registered spark, I can't believe how many sparks haven't sat AM2 thought you had to have it as well as NVQ portfolio etc
 
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They told me I was a level 1 trainee.....
So are you going to apply for your ECS card anyway ?
I would as its better than no card at all and it will be enough to get you onto building site jobs.
Personally i dont blame the JIB as they are just trying to uphold membership standards as an independant authority.
The real problems lie with City & Guilds whos constant tinkering and restructuring with electrical training is a shambles and the training providers are the only ones that benefit.
So get any card to get your foot in the door as it will make things alot easier and quicker to get re-graded at a later date.
 
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p11jor

To be honest it's something that I could take or leave the card but for the cost of one I thought it would be good to have in the wallet. I'm not to keen on site work....there is to many sites just having you under pressure for time having you lashing in cables the choping out fast fix boxes after its all plastered causing lost cables etc.....it's something I can't stand, so I am more domestic installations & testing so it wouldnt change my prospects......but saying that if you are graded by a national company and they can't grade me as a electrician then I am now asking myself....am I electrician!.....I have great knowledge of design, installing, inspection & good fault finder, I leave a neat job, NAPIT registered so I follow requirements fo notible work, but then again they say I'm a trainee. I don't know what other training I can do as the nvq3 is just a portfolio
 
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i have brought my opinions up about the JIB before!! Forth , Go and Multiply come to mind...!!
 

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As an employer, I find it is very difficult to assess someone who comes to me with all technical qualifications. I have no idea what they can do practically. It is the same for the JIB grading. They need as much information as possible of practical experience. Previous and current employers testimonials and NVQ 3.
Would you be happy for someone to drive if they have just passed their theory test?
 

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Finish your dinner lads and you'll get the card. Simples!!!

Strange how the only people who slag the JIB off are either Electrical Trainee, mates, improver or 'technicians' from other occupations.

Like I said the JIB are the only ones keeping our industry serious and battling against what must be hundreds and hundreds of training centres.
 
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Only issue i have with the JIB is that from reading many posts it seem's that someone with over 20 years of electrical experience has to do NVQ 3 to be called a sparks now, 20+ yrs ago NVQ just didn't exist to my knowledge.
 
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Lack of NVQ 3, i can never understand why people go sit the 2391 yet completley miss out the 2356 NVQ3 which is easier, must be a cost thing
Because it's a pain in the behind - you have to go around taking pictures of everything like some kind of trainspotter, and you have to cover a variety of different situations, some of which you might not come across on a regular basis.
Taking pictures of your work might be OK in certain situations, sites etc, but inappropriate in others, eg MOD sites, hospitals, schools.
 

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Only issue i have with the JIB is that from reading many posts it seem's that someone with over 20 years of electrical experience has to do NVQ 3 to be called a sparks now, 20+ yrs ago NVQ just didn't exist to my knowledge.

Your not getting my point!!! If a spark has been working in this industry for 20 years and completed his apprenticeship at his time.... HE WILL BE GRADED AS AN ELECTRICIAN!!! Same for the 60's, 70's and so on. NVQ or not. You complete the recognised electrical apprenticeship at the time and you'll always be a graded spark!!
 
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p11jor

Or as alot of people do....take photos of others work....which just makes no sence
 

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Your not getting my point!!! If a spark has been working in this industry for 20 years and completed his apprenticeship at his time.... HE WILL BE GRADED AS AN ELECTRICIAN!!! Same for the 60's, 70's and so on. NVQ or not. You complete the recognised electrical apprenticeship at the time and you'll always be a graded spark!!

not so. i obtained HND, Electrical Engineering in 1979. had 30 years exp.JIB classed me as trainee. bloody muppets.
 
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Jebus...with all those '!!!' i get images of me old headmaster stood over me with cane in hand.....*hides*

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p11jor

Perfetic.....every single time I've had a electrical question telectrix has always had a answer for it and he's rated a trainee......

Who are the jib to rate you anyway, not higher than the guilds......
Anyone with abit of money behind them could start a scheme, advertise it to sites etc to say blah blah blah
 
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Perfetic.....every single time I've had a electrical question telectrix has always had a answer for it and he's rated a trainee......

Who are the jib to rate you anyway, not higher than the guilds......
Anyone with abit of money behind them could start a scheme, advertise it to sites etc to say blah blah blah
you have to remember the jib was set up to look after its jib member companies and employees,wages training quals etc for electrical contractors,they set the standard for that,if you done an apprenticeship through a jib co you got your card and its benefits,why does suddenly everyone want a jib card,if your self employed or dont work in contracting for jib co's you dont need a jib card,if you want to work for a jib co you might need one.
 
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People are calling for JIB to be the standard again....the present way JIB issue thier cards leaves alot of older sparks (due to not working/trainee for JIB firms) out on thier ear classed only as trainee's.

I'm self employed,did my time with a non JIB firm (not many firms around here are/were JIB)...if i now had to have a JIB card i'd be in the same boat as Teletrix.....Trainee...which is just wrong on so many levels.
 

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not so. i obtained HND, Electrical Engineering in 1979. had 30 years exp.JIB classed me as trainee. bloody muppets.

No disrectful Tel, but was a HND in 1979 the recognized qualification needed to be a qualified electrician via an apprenticeship? such as the 2360, 2330 etc. This is what I mean!

And I know you know your stuff..... A lot more than me
 

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My mate Rob is on the dole, can't find his certs(he's moved around a lot following his divorce)and can't afford to replace them, they told him if he can provide 10 years of work references they will consider what grade they will give him. I reckon he'll get something like trainee or labourer, what do you think guys?
 

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had a chat with Leigh today about similar to this as i am currently doing the NVQ 3....he said it didn`t bother him as he was trading for himself and didn`t see the point in it....he did say though that if he went back onto sites for a company etc...he would get registered with em....
 
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as far as i can remember if he got a job for a jib co and had all his certs they could then if they felt so apply for him by them to be graded as a jib electrcian,not certain if you could be graded as app elec before elec if he didnt do a jib apprenticeship,tho dont quote me on that..
 

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anyway...got some fault finding to do tomorrow....lamps poping at a house....either crap lamps fitted ..or intermittant neutral-earth fault maybe....
 

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No disrectful Tel, but was a HND in 1979 the recognized qualification needed to be a qualified electrician via an apprenticeship? such as the 2360, 2330 etc. This is what I mean!

And I know you know your stuff..... A lot more than me
i take your point. the HND was biased more towards industrial design, far too much theory, little practical ( company i did the apprenticeship with was more concerned with using apps. to do menial shop floor work. ) . as for electrical installation, at the time i didn't have too much idea, but my mindset has always been on the practical side. so i studied the books, the theory, did a part time course, got the practical experience working with a gem of a guy, did a few years repairing appliances, TVs, installing alarms, CCTV, maybe an unconventional way in, but it worked for me.
 

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Only issue i have with the JIB is that from reading many posts it seem's that someone with over 20 years of electrical experience has to do NVQ 3 to be called a sparks now, 20+ yrs ago NVQ just didn't exist to my knowledge.
NVQ 3 has been around since the Eighties but changed in the 1990's putting the onus on the candidate to collect evidence.

My experience of many Colleges are that they are in many cases blinkered and only recognise the Apprenticeship - 2330, Keyskills, 2356 and AM2. As ou correctly point out, what about the guy's doing the job for years or those that have been trained in similar occupations such as the MOD? You can still become graded as a spark, just prove your competence to the JIB
 

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as far as i can remember if he got a job for a jib co and had all his certs they could then if they felt so apply for him by them to be graded as a jib electrcian,not certain if you could be graded as app elec before elec if he didnt do a jib apprenticeship,tho dont quote me on that..
well the thing is i don`t know exactly how it works....there seems to be quite a few of these `JIB said this...said that` stories in here....
 

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My mate Rob is on the dole, can't find his certs(he's moved around a lot following his divorce)and can't afford to replace them, they told him if he can provide 10 years of work references they will consider what grade they will give him. I reckon he'll get something like trainee or labourer, what do you think guys?
Only if he can prove competence as a labourer:lol:
 
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