Led lighting - where is my limit as a person without any certificate.

[299Lighting]

Hi Emillo83,

Emergency lighting is a safety critical element principle of construction, and is required by law. As the others have mentioned, there is nothing stopping you from installing this, however if anything does go wrong (if there is a fire and this doesn't function properly and injury or death results) then you need to ensure you are capable of defending your position installing it yourself, rather than having a competent professional do the work.

For example, have you done lux level calculations with the proposed lighting, to ensure the light levels conform to the minimum requirements of BS EN 1838, and the wiring system conforms to BS En 50172-4? Do you know that the centre line of the escape route will have a guaranteed minimum light level of 1Lx at every point, and 0.5Lx off the centre line? Have you got direct light on every tread of the staircase? These are just a couple of requirements.


I don't mean to sound critical, its just such an important factor in building safety and often done very wrong. Even if nothing goes wrong, it can still be inspected by the fire authority and you can be prosecuted if the emergency lighting isn't suitable.

 

[Paul L]

I'm not sure they are using it as emergency lighting, from the OP i got the impression that it was for decorative purposes on stairs rather than emergency purposes

 

[299Lighting]

I'm not sure they are using it as emergency lighting, from the OP i got the impression that it was for decorative purposes on stairs rather than emergency purposes

Ahh - could be my bad then!

If it isn't for emergency purposes, then just ignore what I said! Thanks for flagging, Paul

 

[Paul L]

Ahh - could be my bad then!

If it isn't for emergency purposes, then just ignore what I said! Thanks for flagging, Paul

You are right about emergency lighting though. I do a lot of emergency light testing at the Schools i work at and it seems to be quite a misunderstood subject. There's a lot more to it than some people realise.

 

[emillo83]

@299Lighting Thanks for the warning.
My assumption is to install additional light, or as Paul said decorative light, I don't want to replace the original light (emergency) on the stairs.
By the way, everything looks nice in theory, and in practice completely different, a lot of staircase looks like a darkroom.

Have a good evening guys.

 

[DEEPAK_78]

If it is the 12V stuff you are putting in, or stuff plugged in to a regular 13A socket, then you don't have any Part P building regulations to require a certificate, etc.

As Telectrix says, if you can put in conduit pipes, etc, it will make things so much easier if you need to replace anything, and depending on how that is done it probably avoids the whole cable-collapse in fire problem as by time a wall or similar has gone you are past caring...
THANKS

 

[Mike Johnson]

Guys, read his posts again, he is wanting to install this LED lighting for others i.e. possibly on a commercial basis, it is not a one off domestic installation.

 

[integrationdan]

Hello everyone.

I need information from people who are more knowledgeable and I will appreciate your help. I have no idea and I can not find any information about the regulations for mounting LED lighting.
I would like to install minimally invasive LED stair lighting on a plug and play basis, but I have no idea how much I can do by law. Minimally invasive, I mean connecting the power supply to the socket and make the wiring in the aluminum profiles. I just wondering if I can do any wiring in the walls, or for example I can mount a box on the wall in which the LED power supply will be hidden, I have no idea where my limit is, how much I can do as a person without an electrician license.

Thanks in advance for any help

You do definitely need information from knowledgeable people, we are called Electricians, and for the privilege of this advice we expect payment, you on the other hand are not in a position to interpret the requirements and should call one of us, we are everywhere.

Alternatively, go and become an Engineer like we have at huge cost and hard work. Then you can listen to people try to get free advice about how they can do your job for free, oh wait....

Doesn't sound right

 

[loz2754]

There is a clause in the Part P document that says it applies to fixed wiring even if supplied via a plug and socket arrangement. Burying a cable in the wall would make it part of the fixed wiring, in my view.
And even if it's 12 volts, that doesn't make it exempt from the wiring regulations, which apply to voltages up to 1000 V AC and 1500 V DC.
That's not to say that the OP shouldn't attempt the job, just that there are rules that need to be followed.

 

[littlespark]

Not bad for a resurrected thread… only 1 year old.

Still…. Job’s probably been done by now