Originally Posted by
D Skelton
I don't think it should be. It never used to be wiring by numbers until we allowed it to become so with the birth of fast track training centers and domestic installation guides.
then you should blame the schemes and the operators of competent person registers for the decline of training standards rather than us electricians ourselves.
That's the whole point!! Of course we blame these Part Pee providers, i think that's been obvious from day one of all these types of threads...
The way I see it, if you're going to install a circuit you need to know why you are doing it, why you are installing a specific size and type of cable, why your Zs needs to be below a certain level, what voltage drop is, what size cpc you need, the effects of electromagnetism, types of protective measure etc.... I could go on and on.
Rubbish , the OSG provides standardised domestic circuit details that require next to no additional design & calculation , thats why it exists.
Perhaps the standard of training has dropped so low these days, that these OSG's are actually NEEDED by some of the so-called electricians, ....And as far as these DI's are concerned, an absolute necessity!! No such OSG's or other supplementary publications around when i first came out of my time. You either knew what you were doing, or quickly got found out and replaced!!
The fact is, commercial and industrial wiring could just as easily become wiring by numbers if we let it, but does that make for a better standard of installer? No. Because the lack of underpinning knowledge, that core understanding of electrical science and principles is no longer there.
Its becoming like that due to the modular design of buildings and the systems contained within.
Clients want cost effective projects , they aren't interested in hiring the highest skilled staff available just to screw unistrut to the wall.
I'd have thought you'd have grasped that basic econonic factor.....
If that's globally the case, then why are the other major western European countries plowing millions of Euros into government backed apprenticeship schemes. On larger projects, it would be the mates, labourers, trainee's, apprentices, that will be screwing the vast majority of any unistrut to the walls, not so the electricians i'll wager.... Let's face it, pointless having a dog and then doing all the barking yourself isn't it!! ...lol!!!
It could even be argued that your average one man band domestic installer needs to be
more knowledgable than your average jobbing commercial spark who does nothing but sling in SWA on ladder and pull singles through trunking day in day out. I won't make that argument, but it's there!
that arguement is about as sturdy as a house of cards in a tornado........
Maybe not now, but give it some time and all the bloody electricians will be wiring by numbers, if things are left to continue the way they are now!! lol!!