Not agreeing with it, just after some thoughts from fellow sparks

[TJ Anderson]

By your own admission you need a NVQ to get a JIB grading, in the NVQ you uave to prove you can work with different types of containment, cable etc?

Im pretty sure you know all this already....

Yes, you do need a presently require an NVQ3 to be graded as an Electrician by the JIB, or older quals if before 1994.

I have no issue with people who do domestic, commercial , industrial or other specialisations within the industry. There is no way you can be an expert at all of it.

 

[Pete999]

The criteria is higher for a JIB Gold Card than it is for a DI. That's why it would work.


Don't agree. Someone who only works on domestic would not need to be the same as a commercial / industrial spark.

Going to put my foot in it again, as Dillb says you are either an Electrician or your not, how can you call yourself an Electrician, when you have no idea of how to work on Commercial or industrial electrics, if DIs do domestic would CIs do commercial and IIs do industrial?

 

[Dillb]

Im pretty sure you know all this already....

Yes, you do need a presently require an NVQ3 to be graded as an Electrician by the JIB, or older quals if before 1994.

I have no issue with people who do domestic, commercial , industrial or other specialisations within the industry. There is no way you can be an expert at all of it.

Like I said preciously, alot of electeicians do work in one particular enviroment but that doesnt mean they will be out of place in others, I certainly wouldn't expect them to be as proficient but at least not uncomfortable.

 

[Toneyz]

You watch too many American video's Pete.

 

[davesparks]

This thread is demonstrating what is wrong woth the trade by using terms such ad domestic electricians, your wither a electrician or you aren't.

In years gone by yes, but these days the job is becoming more complex in all sectors and this approach is less appropriate.

I see no reason why an electrician shouldn’t know their limits and make it clear to people the sectors or specialities they work in.

 

[davesparks]

Why whats difference is there? Its not just about install skills, there is also the sciences involved too

The basic science is the same, the basic rules are the same. But then their is a whole wealth of science, knowledge and regulations unique to each sector.

In a lot of areas these days it seems to be as much of a challenge knowing what you are not allowed to do as knowing what you can do.

 

[TJ Anderson]

Like I said preciously, alot of electeicians do work in one particular enviroment but that doesnt mean they will be out of place in others, I certainly wouldn't expect them to be as proficient but at least not uncomfortable.

That is just idealistic and not the case though. Thats why there is the whole Domestic Installer / Electrician thing. Someone working on Domestic only would not need to know as much technically to do their job effectively and that is purely because the scope of their work is no where near as broad. I listed out examples in a previous post and you disagreed with it.

 

[Dillb]

In years gone by yes, but these days the job is becoming more complex in all sectors and this approach is less appropriate.

I see no reason why an electrician shouldn’t know their limits and make it clear to people the sectors or specialities they work in.

The basic science is the same, the basic rules are the same. But then their is a whole wealth of science, knowledge and regulations unique to each sector.

In a lot of areas these days it seems to be as much of a challenge knowing what you are not allowed to do as knowing what you can do.

I understand what you are saying but everything has moved on with it, for example there are now forums where you can ask wuestions if you are unsure and get relevant advice or or help

 

[davesparks]

Talking rubbish imho, theres no difference between a domestic electrician and commercial/industrial electrician. Both work with cable, both test, both do containment, its exactly the same.

Not all cables are the same, not all testing is the same and not all containment is the same.
Not all electricians are the same, and it would be ridiculous if they were.

 

[Cadgey123]

Actually, most industrial electricians don’t even possess a tester, let alone do testing.
On larger sites there are dedicated testers, who do the testing, the rest of the sparks just do the install.

That’s rubbish, how would an industrial spark diagnose a faulty 3 phase induction motor on a call out? Smell it? Of course they have testers