Not agreeing with it, just after some thoughts from fellow sparks

[GMES]

@LankyWill I've deleted your post for obvious reasons, please keep it civil and refrain from making it personal.
Domestic vs industrial always creates a good debate amongst members but let's not resort to name calling.

 

[davesparks]

That’s rubbish, how would an industrial spark diagnose a faulty 3 phase induction motor on a call out? Smell it? Of course they have testers

Only if they are doing that kind of work, and these days working with machinery is becoming increasingly specialist due to the ever increasing legislation and legal responsibilities.

The post appears to be referring to the electricians who work on large sites carrying out installation work, the design, testing and commissioning is carried out by other people.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

That’s rubbish, how would an industrial spark diagnose a faulty 3 phase induction motor on a call out? Smell it? Of course they have testers

When I think of industrial sparks, I’m thinking of those who work on new builds or refurbishments in Hospitals, football stadiums, railways, office blocks, etc.

What you are describing sounds more like a Jobbing Electrician who does fault finding and maintenance on existing installations.

 

[Pete999]

When I think of industrial sparks, I’m thinking of those who work on new builds or refurbishments in Hospitals, football stadiums, railways, office blocks, etc.

What you are describing sounds more like a Jobbing Electrician who does fault finding and maintenance on existing installations.

Can I come in here with an "in my time", "when I first started", "it's not the same anymore" thought.

Well in reality it isn't is it? there are far too many people trying to take the "change of career route" or "not sure what I want to do" and start late in their career choice, many older guys and Gals have commitments, families etc, I know times change along with circumstances.

Probably think I'm an old fart who should keep his snout of things, because he is too old to understand, believe me I'm not too old to understand, been there and done that springs to mind.

The trouble today is the lack of structured Apprenticeships, and until the Government get to grips with this situation, things will remain as they are, we will have the discrimination between, DIs, commercial and industrial sparks, it's not going to change over night, but until industry, and this includes the small electrical contractors out there, and to some extent for the School leavers, Parenting comes into the equation. Too many people with commitments trying to make ends meet, taking the quick buck route, and unfortunately the entrepreneurs in the training field have cornered the niche in the Market. I can't in all honesty see how you can become an Apprentice Electrician, when you are not on the books with a company, going from job to job, course to course without any structure in your training.

Maybe this is all pie in the sky, living in cloud Cuckoo Land, it's just the way I feel, as an old fart I expect all sorts of abuse for this post, but hey ho lives to short to worry about it, end of rant, don't shoot the messenger please.

 

[TJ Anderson]

Can I come in here with an "in my time", "when I first started", "it's not the same anymore" thought.

Well in reality it isn't is it? there are far too many people trying to take the "change of career route" or "not sure what I want to do" and start late in their career choice, many older guys and Gals have commitments, families etc, I know times change along with circumstances.

Probably think I'm an old fart who should keep his snout of things, because he is too old to understand, believe me I'm not too old to understand, been there and done that springs to mind.

The trouble today is the lack of structured Apprenticeships, and until the Government get to grips with this situation, things will remain as they are, we will have the discrimination between, DIs, commercial and industrial sparks, it's not going to change over night, but until industry, and this includes the small electrical contractors out there, and to some extent for the School leavers, Parenting comes into the equation. Too many people with commitments trying to make ends meet, taking the quick buck route, and unfortunately the entrepreneurs in the training field have cornered the niche in the Market. I can't in all honesty see how you can become an Apprentice Electrician, when you are not on the books with a company, going from job to job, course to course without any structure in your training.

Maybe this is all pie in the sky, living in cloud Cuckoo Land, it's just the way I feel, as an old fart I expect all sorts of abuse for this post, but hey ho lives to short to worry about it, end of rant, don't shoot the messenger please.

You definitely should not get any abuse for that message Pete and you certainly won't get any from me.

It is the way of the world. Saying that, people in the 70 ' s and 80 's drifted into the Electrical Industry from all sorts of backgrounds and there was good and bad in that lot no doubt.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Again, it’s all Thatcher’s fault.
The large Electrical companies are reducing the number of electricians they employ, and instead sub contract the work to other companies or agency workers.
Competitive tendering.

Public institutions no longer directly employ Electricians.
Councils, Hospitals, DOT, the Military, Universities, Railways, BT, etc.
They all contract the work out.
Competitive tendering.

 

[Pete999]

Again, it’s all Thatcher’s fault.
The large Electrical companies are reducing the number of electricians they employ, and instead sub contract the work to other companies or agency workers.
Competitive tendering.

Public institutions no longer directly employ Electricians.
Councils, Hospitals, DOT, the Military, Universities, Railways, BT, etc.
They all contract the work out.
Competitive tendering.

Yes and I shook hands with the Woman and lost my job when I got home from The USSR, she swiped the DOE/PSA off the map at a stroke.

 

[ipf]

Im pretty sure you know all this already....

Yes, you do need a presently require an NVQ3 to be graded as an Electrician by the JIB, or older quals if before 1994.

I have no issue with people who do domestic, commercial , industrial or other specialisations within the industry. There is no way you can be an expert at all of it.

Wanna bet?....although 'expert' may be taking it a bit too far.

 

[spsparks]

Joint Industry Board.

Agree with the JIB but not the SJIB....its a quango up here.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

The member of the councils for both the JIB and the SJIB are employers.
They set the rates of pay, terms and conditions of employment and the various rules members have to comply with.
If they cannot make a unaminous agreement on pay, no increase is made until the following year (if then).