Preferred GU10 fitting?

[Mjward]

Been a while (2011) since I last added some GU10 downlight fittings.

What are the good/reliable brands people are using now? It's for my own property.

Essentially will be to remove a single pendant and replace with 8 dimmable LED GU10 downlights.

My research has already steered me towards Varilight for the dimmable trailing edge switches but happy to hear recommended alternatives for that too.

Thanks in advance

 

[telectrix]

fine for the varilight. they do a version with a master and slaves, so you can have 2/3 way switching. as for the fittings, I'd go for the integrated types with switchable colour temp. rather than GU10's. have a look at the JCC V50 and similar from CEF. integrated types are usually quicker to install, drivers separate from the lamp itself, and pricewise not much more than blank cans with GU10s fitted.

 

[Taylortwocities]

My preferred choice. No cheap though.

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[Mjward]

fine for the varilight. they do a version with a master and slaves, so you can have 2/3 way switching. as for the fittings, I'd go for the integrated types with switchable colour temp. rather than GU10's. have a look at the JCC V50 and similar from CEF. integrated types are usually quicker to install, drivers separate from the lamp itself, and pricewise not much more than blank cans with GU10s fitted.

The sole thing steering me towards non integrated is that I've become from a place with a Philips Hue setup and just absolutely loved the functionality you get with those bulbs. Cheapest way to set scenes/light automation etc. 100% if that wasn't on my mind then these integrated LED units look far superior to what they were 10 years ago

 

[Mjward]

My preferred choice. No cheap though.

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Good vote for Collingwood there fella, where up there when I did it the first time round. Top kit back then, glad to hear have kept their standards up

 

[telectrix]

just as an additoin, most of what i said abve, the fittings are only around 2" deep and can be covered in insulation without flowerpots.

 

[Mjward]

just as an additoin, most of what i said abve, the fittings are only around 2" deep and can be covered in insulation without flowerpots.

Crikey the tech has changed a lot, no more giant metal cages to protect from insulation anymore then ??

 

[catdog1121]

I fit JCC fireguard next generation.... GU10 fixings, can be covered by insulation, prefer GU10 so people can replace lamps.

 

[Mjward]

JCC is a new brand to me but see two recommendations so will have a proper look. Thank you

 

[telectrix]

JCC is a new brand to me but see two recommendations so will have a proper look. Thank you

fitted loads. no failures at all.

 

[catdog1121]

JCC is a new brand to me but see two recommendations so will have a proper look. Thank you

Electrical2go have them and you get a 5% discount with this forum, just bought like 18 for a job and was something stupid like £85.. So much cheaper than integrated ones...

 

[LewisM]

JCC fireguard, I've never been a quick worker but even I can fire them out in 5mins

 

[Mjward]

Sounds like we have a winner. Will go order some! Cheers all

 

[LukeD]

I fitted 10 JCC's . Found them to be fine. Time will tell !

 

[sparksfly]

I still prefer cans and fit your own gu10's....maintenance. Integrated ones can look neat or more stylish but I have replaced many. The newer replacements incl JCC can be brighter and colour rendering different. Why is there no standard for D/L sizes ? We could just carry less holesaws and refits easier.
GU10s for me unless very shallow joists. However I have advised some customers if they fit say 10 units have 4x spares. Manufacturers change bezels as fast as car manufacturers change a trim.

 

[Electrical2Go]

The sole thing steering me towards non integrated is that I've become from a place with a Philips Hue setup and just absolutely loved the functionality you get with those bulbs. Cheapest way to set scenes/light automation etc. 100% if that wasn't on my mind then these integrated LED units look far superior to what they were 10 years ago

Hi @Mjward

You may find some of the Philips Hue lamps don't fit in all downlights. I would recommend speaking with the manufcaturer first to confirm. Otherwise you could end up dissappointed.

All the best.
Ivan

 

[Mjward]

Hi @Mjward

You may find some of the Philips Hue lamps don't fit in all downlights. I would recommend speaking with the manufcaturer first to confirm. Otherwise you could end up dissappointed.

All the best.
Ivan

Top tip! Should have known it wouldn't be this easy ? once confirmed I'll order some off your site

 

[Mjward]

It was indeed a very good tip, alas they do not fit

 

[Electrical2Go]

It was indeed a very good tip, alas they do not fit
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I'll check a few suppliers and let you know if i find any.

 

[Mjward]

I'll check a few suppliers and let you know if i find any.

Many thanks! Hopefully someone on here might have had success with them in a fitting too otherwise I'm going to have to give up my dreams of turning my house into a rave at the touch of a button ??

 

[Electrical2Go]

Many thanks! Hopefully someone on here might have had success with them in a fitting too otherwise I'm going to have to give up my dreams of turning my house into a rave at the touch of a button ??

Do you have to have a closed can?

 

[Mjward]

Do you have to have a closed can?

Ideally but not a must. Void being filled with rockwool and therefore if open can it would require an extra step to prevent heat build up.

 

[telectrix]

Ideally but not a must. Void being filled with rockwool and therefore if open can it would require an extra step to prevent heat build up.

just leave a bit of space clear over and around the can. heat is low with LEDs but significant.

 

[LukeD]

Ref: the different size of downlights etc .It is bloody stupid !I I cannot really see why there needs to be so many . Also why do customers seem to like such high Kelvin types that resemble sun beds? !

 

[Mjward]

Ref: the different size of downlights etc .It is bloody stupid !I I cannot really see why there needs to be so many . Also why do customers seem to like such high Kelvin types that resemble sun beds? !

It's beyond me. Nothing looks more welcoming in a home than a well designed lighting setup... In warm white. 20 downlights in a room at 3000k+ is beyond me

 

[telectrix]

It's beyond me. Nothing looks more welcoming in a home than a well designed lighting setup... In warm white. 20 downlights in a room at 3000k+ is beyond me

all depends on the size of the room.went to price a job to fit once, 320 in the property. 6" kingspan that had to be cut out on top of ceiling. UFH pipes on top of the kinspan. cables already in with ragged holes in the ceiling. i quoted £7000. wonder why he didn't ring back.

 

[Mjward]

all depends on the size of the room.went to price a job to fit once, 320 in the property. 6" kingspan that had to be cut out on top of ceiling. UFH pipes on top of the kinspan. cables already in with ragged holes in the ceiling. i quoted £7000. wonder why he didn't ring back.

Ha priced to miss! Finally got all the lathe/plaster down in the first room and as per the theme with this place, it's covered with obselete wiring but think I've got most of it figured out now. With ceiling down will be considerably easier to run additional lights/sockets although main driver was for easier plumbing routes (switching from old school one way system to flow/return)

 

[Dartlec]

I still prefer cans and fit your own gu10's....maintenance. Integrated ones can look neat or more stylish but I have replaced many. The newer replacements incl JCC can be brighter and colour rendering different. Why is there no standard for D/L sizes ? We could just carry less holesaws and refits easier.
GU10s for me unless very shallow joists. However I have advised some customers if they fit say 10 units have 4x spares. Manufacturers change bezels as fast as car manufacturers change a trim.

Very much this! There was a time when Screwfix LAP brand downlights were a 72mm cutout, but they didn't sell a 72mm holesaw.... Though the lack of earth terminal on them was very much more of an issue even if the lights themselves weren't bad...

 

[Alla Musica]

Electrical2go have them and you get a 5% discount with this forum, just bought like 18 for a job and was something stupid like £85.. So much cheaper than integrated ones...

I ordered 36 JCC Fireguard NG from The Electrical Counter for £320.4 - thought it couldn't be any cheaper (and saw it on limited-time offer) so didn't hesitate, but then saw your message upon delivery. Electrical2go is truly cheaper (£310.32 for the same items, not to mention further discounts).
What a shame!!!!

 

[Teddy Lop]

I still prefer cans and fit your own gu10's....maintenance. Integrated ones can look neat or more stylish but I have replaced many. The newer replacements incl JCC can be brighter and colour rendering different. Why is there no standard for D/L sizes ? We could just carry less holesaws and refits easier.
GU10s for me unless very shallow joists. However I have advised some customers if they fit say 10 units have 4x spares. Manufacturers change bezels as fast as car manufacturers change a trim.

Amen. Worked that pretty promptly. 20 yr life my butthole. Downlights are the most unreliable LEDs IME - maybe due to concentration of light (& therefore heat) compared to panels or strips.

Evofires are my go to, super slim bezel looks like an integrated anyway, open back for lamp life. Ok you have to pull the whole thing out to change lamp so maybe use something else on a really cruddy ceiling. No adjustable option but most people never tilt their adjustables anyway!

 

[brianmoooore]

No adjustable option but most people never tilt their adjustables anyway!

I usually go for tiltables, not only because I think they look a little better, with the concentric ring around the lamp, but mainly because they generally require a bigger cut out, one that I can get my hand through and up into the void.

 

[Alla Musica]

I usually go for tiltables, not only because I think they look a little better, with the concentric ring around the lamp, but mainly because they generally require a bigger cut out, one that I can get my hand through and up into the void.

Although not a fan of tiltables (unless in genuine need), I do agree that bigger downlights look more generous. I've personally gone for ≈60 JCC Fireguard XL anti-glare white IP65. Wrongly ordered the standard size initially but then canceled the order lol

 

[Alla Musica]

Amen. Worked that pretty promptly. 20 yr life my butthole. Downlights are the most unreliable LEDs IME - maybe due to concentration of light (& therefore heat) compared to panels or strips.

Evofires are my go to, super slim bezel looks like an integrated anyway, open back for lamp life. Ok you have to pull the whole thing out to change lamp so maybe use something else on a really cruddy ceiling. No adjustable option but most people never tilt their adjustables anyway!

There is now an adjustable option available, though only IP20 rated unlike all other Evofire products.