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So running a supply out to the shed to run a socket and a light (small small shed....garage to come later when funds allow) as putting tools away with the aid of a head torch is a pain in the posterior and finding stuff after dark is a nightmare.
Using some leftover 3 core 1.5mm2 XLPE SWA, only available run is along the fence (4x4 wooden posts concreted in, with timber 2 x 3/4 runners and 3x1 timber slats...its not going anywhere). Can't go under ground as manhole covers in the way (seemingly every house I live in has the streets drains running through the gardens....)
According to the book....the current capacity of 1.5mm2 XLPE SWA should be around 27amps clipped direct, so my thinking at the moment is to gland the SWA off to the outside socket thats part of the small kitchen ring final, use the SWA armour as the CPC, sleeve the grey core blue as a neutral and take 2 separate line feeds using the black (sleeved brown of course) and brown cores, Adaptable box outside the shed into 2 separate T+Es through shed wall and trunking/conduit inside shed to protect the cable where needed) black core to feed a 3A SFCU for a light and the brown to feed the socket as a spur.
Only issue thats nagging me is the shared neutral between the 2 line feeds (load at the shed socket will be at the very most 13amps (single power tool use and maybe a radio, at worst I'll stick an FCU in at the shed end) ), though its on the same circuit so shouldn't present a problem if I have my head screwed on right today (which after the dreaded dentist visit today isn't entirely guaranteed)
Thoughts?
 
yer shoud be good
i'd nenver trust the amour as cpc alone what happens when the cable get pulled or knocked and comes outof the nut
 
yer shoud be good
i'd nenver trust the amour as cpc alone what happens when the cable get pulled or knocked and comes outof the nut

Why wouldn't you trust it? There's nothing wrong in using the armour as long as it's been correctly sized and the chances of it coming out of a gland are nil as long as it's been done correctly.
What are your thoughts on conduit or trunking as a cpc?
 
Are you saying you don't fit the glands properly and secure the cable properly such that it is protected from that happening?

The circuit described sounds like a bit of a nonsense to me.
Fit a switch fuse next to the external socket and run your shed supply from that, then you can switch it off when the dampness sets in.
I haven't go the books to hand but where did the 27A rating come from, if that's the rating for 90degree cable its no good as the terminals you are connecting to are only going to be rated for 70 degrees so you need to use the rating for 70degree cables.
Take the SWA in to a m/c twin socket in the shed and fit a switch fuse with 3A fuse for the light.
 
Why wouldn't you trust it? There's nothing wrong in using the armour as long as it's been correctly sized and the chances of it coming out of a gland are nil as long as it's been done correctly.
What are your thoughts on conduit or trunking as a cpc?

never tried it
 
Just because you haven't done something it's not feasible?
As long as the cable is fixed securely and glanded off properly then the chances of it being loosened are just about nil mate.
 
conduit or trunking as cpc i take it you were talking about metal and not plastic
To me this is a recent thing as long as the armour is Electrically & Mechanically (14th edition)sound then its good to go plus I would not discount it as a majority of installations have this plus there is nothing wrong with it .

What would you do on a CU change when the lights are run in conduit and it is getting used as an earth or a swa supply to the garage
 
There was a period (and probably now) when firms ran an earth wire alongside the swa because they were ignorant and did not know that 99.9 + per cent of the time the armour complied.
 
What about silver coloured plastic conduit lololololol You know you can get it in any RAL colour............................ Sorry............... Normal service will resume!
 
Yes but it's eye wateringly expensive though Archy and I'm not so sure if they're putting it in conduit just yet :)

I bet it is, but when it becomes cost effective, that'll be the death knell for steel conduit.
No more Hilmores, just lads armed with hair dryers! :-)
 
See this is why I don't normally post after visiting the fang farrier...trauma makes me talk nonsense (both mental and financial trauma.....the wallet is still in shock. I'm in the wrong business....get it wrong as a dentist...charge twice....must be the only career where you can get things wrong and still bill the client.....)
Revised plan - go along the lines of what dave suggested - shed is only staying temporarily till I can get the garage erected (10 or 12 feet x 20 feet) and its getting a 40amp supply in 6mm2 3 Core SWA (recovered from the catenary supply I had at the last house, still in perfect nick so getting reused) buried under the gravelled drying area.
 
What about silver coloured plastic conduit lololololol You know you can get it in any RAL colour............................ Sorry............... Normal service will resume!


only used white and black
 
It's not just the fact that the armour is good enough, there's the fact that fault current is unlikely to flow through the external cpc anyway due to the inductive coupling with the armour.
 
I bet it is, but when it becomes cost effective, that'll be the death knell for steel conduit.
No more Hilmores, just lads armed with hair dryers! :-)

I did some conduit today................ Real conduit (20mm Steel)... looks the dogs.. It had a 90 bend and then I had to put a dog leg in because the bloody IT guy stuck is poxy T2 right in the way!

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only used white and black

Good buddy....... you stick with that... At least you won't get a belt off it!
 
There was a period (and probably now) when firms ran an earth wire alongside the swa because they were ignorant and did not know that 99.9 + per cent of the time the armour complied.

Earth wire alongside is waste of time and effort.................dedicated earth core inside swa every time.
Armour can then be back-up earth if required when bonded correctly......... they compliment each other /earth and bond all at the same time........canny Zs reading too :).
 
3 phase motor gets a 4 core too....................so i can put the earth core onto the nice internal earth connection in the motor terminal box that the manufacturers provide:)
 
How much more does it cost to do that? I'd have thought there's going to be a big price difference for adding an extra core, especially when 5core isn't all that commonly used.

Motors is different because you only just flexible cables for the final connection so there isn't a suitable armour.
 
Motors is different because you only just flexible cables for the final connection so there isn't a suitable armour.

Don't know why you would think that mate?
I've taken armoured cable direct to the motor terminal box thousands of times!
 
@ OP. go to jail. do not pass go. do not collect £200. buy some bloody 6mm 3 core SWA. you say you are going to have a garage at a later date. so install to accommodate the additional load you will require then. feed from a non-RCD way in the house CU then install a garage CU in the shed.
 
Why wouldn't you trust it? There's nothing wrong in using the armour as long as it's been correctly sized and the chances of it coming out of a gland are nil as long as it's been done correctly.
What are your thoughts on conduit or trunking as a cpc?

When I was working on big projects, hospitals schools factorys, we had to pull in cpc's, it was spec on conduit work and trucking.
 

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