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Incontivertible proof from a credible source for that please
I'm absolutely not wading into this one, but the following link may assist some members.
Putin confused hijab with burqa | islam.ru
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Incontivertible proof from a credible source for that please
Incidentally Mick, I see you dodged every one of those questions mate
I thought Mick had replied, I didn't see dongleberry reply Trev :biggrin:That is always the idiotic answer from someone who makes a statement and cannot back it up with facts when asked.
Grow up.I thought Mick had replied, I didn't see dongleberry reply Trev :biggrin:
Hum. You guys have ruined my thread.
Yes Trev that's exactly what Farage predicted yesterday, because £1.7 billion is an estimate.OK back on track.
I see that over the last few days the government have been claiming that
A This comes as a surprise
B The EU are using this as a stick to beat Britain with
C (Ok this one isn't a claim but) Cameron is using this as an opportunity to play Mr Tough Guy.
So, some questions have to be asked.
How did the EU come up with this figure of £1.7 billion?
Well the treasury is required to come up with figures on GDP and GNP which are then sent to the EU who then base their financing requirements on them. This happens for all EU members.
How long ago was this done?
At least 6 months ago.
Why does it then come as a shock to the government?
It bloody doesn't! It's a perfect opportunity for Cameron to act the big man, he saw it coming and is milking it. If it does come as a shock then it's further proof that Gideon is unfit for purpose.
NB If this was happening under a Labour government I'd have said exactly the same things.
Don't believe the hype people.
As Mike said, he said he won't be paying on 1st December. He said F all about the 2nd though.Yes Trev that's exactly what Farage predicted yesterday, because £1.7 billion is an estimate.
When the true cost is decided he'll claim the glory for getting it reduced..
As aboveHum. You guys have ruined my thread.
OK back on track.
I see that over the last few days the government have been claiming that
A This comes as a surprise
B The EU are using this as a stick to beat Britain with
C (Ok this one isn't a claim but) Cameron is using this as an opportunity to play Mr Tough Guy.
So, some questions have to be asked.
How did the EU come up with this figure of £1.7 billion?
Well the treasury is required to come up with figures on GDP and GNP which are then sent to the EU who then base their financing requirements on them. This happens for all EU members.
How long ago was this done?
At least 6 months ago.
Why does it then come as a shock to the government?
It bloody doesn't! It's a perfect opportunity for Cameron to act the big man, he saw it coming and is milking it. If it does come as a shock then it's further proof that Gideon is unfit for purpose.
NB If this was happening under a Labour government I'd have said exactly the same things.
Don't believe the hype people.
I'm with you tell em to sod off we pay enough already.
To be perfectly honest there isn't much of that left, we import 50 million more than we export, 1980s britain say no more,I don't want to upset the Thatcher fans here lol, I'm done, enjoy yourselves.
Cameron has a few choices here. Not pay at all and cop a MAXIMUM 200 million Euro per year fine (Much better than 1.7 billion lol) OR ask for the payments to be deferred and taken out of future rebates ect (This will probably appeal if he/they believe that Labour will win the election so it will become their problem and the Tories would get to blame someone else).
My 3rd option is in the cospiracy theory section it goes like this -
The EU top brass have seen that the UK population are ready to walk away.....They don't want this, Cameron doesn't want this, Most other top Mp's in every party don't want this...so this is a staged setup. We get hit with this bill - Cameron gets to moan and demand it be wiped/drastically reduced - The EU relent and say Yes you the UK are correct this is wrong and wipe/reduce the bill.
Then the EU get to say look how accommodating we are to the UK...please stay in. Cameron gets to say look at me im a big player in the EU....and farage gets kicked into touch come the election to the delight of ALL the other parties.
I suppose there is a fourth option - we just pay up and shut up.
As much as I am a supporter of the EU (Like others here) I just can't see how they can justify this. It would be with a heavy heart that I would be forced to vote for out if we continue to be treated in this manner.
Firstly,Something beloved by kippers.
Secondly, I've worked in Saudi mate and things don't get much more Islamic than that place as a few on here can bear witness to. I have never met a Muslim who wanted to kill me.
It matters not one jot who first used the word
I am not a supporter of Islam, what I am a supporter of is treating everyone as individuals no matter what their creed, religion, sexuality or colour of skin. We're all human beings.
You want to demonise Islam? Take a look at the bible first because there's a whole load of slavery, prostitution, executions in there mate. All sanctioned by Jesus when he said "I came to confirm the teachings of the old testament" so there's the abrogation argument out of the window.
Incidentally, what you're not told is that immediately after the sword verses there's a bit that tells them that when the aggression towards them stops then they should stop too. That bit is conveniently forgotten by all extreme sides of the argument.
I don't "like them" I like people. I dislike idiots and arseholes. I judge everyone on their approach to me whether they be Christians (plenty of arseholes there) Jews (plenty of arseholes there) Sikhs (once again) Buddhists(again) Muslims(again) etc ad infinitum.
Please name one country which has banned Islam. That highlighted statement may well bite you on the arse Mick.
Here's a few questions for you-
During "the troubles" were all Irish people a threat?
During the 70s were all Germans a threat because of the activities of the Baader Meinhoff group?
Are all Christians to blame for the activities of the Westboro Baptist Church?
If my neighbour who is of a similar demographic to me commits a crime am I somehow implicated in it because we're both middle aged white blokes?
The koran also tells them to stop when they're not facing aggression any more.
That's a bit of a cop-out. If you state things as fact it's reasonable to expect you to be able to back them up with evidence.
I'm absolutely not wading into this one, but the following link may assist some members.
Putin confused hijab with burqa | islam.ru
so how long are we going to continue supporting a corrupt union of countries that want to become collectively superior to the USA? God put the english channel there for a reason. OUT<OUT<OUT!
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