The new 2354 2355 & 2356

[Skyba]

OK, so today i went in to see my NVQ assessor at the college to hand over my finished portfolio and we got chatting about the job market being rubbish and me not really enjoying working through agencies on big sites.

then i started to ask him and another guy who i presume is a lecturer ( i didn't attend this college) and i asked them about the new version of the 2391, what i have been told is it's not 2 courses its actually 3 and for your qualifications to be equal to having the 2391 you must have all 3 at £500 a pop.
seriously they're really starting to take the **** now!!!! if i wanted to become an approved contractor with 2391 now it would cost me going on £3000 in my first year!!!!!

whats wrong with keeping the old qualification?? I'd be more than happy to fork out the £500

from what most people have been saying the new one isn't going to be regarded as being as substantial as the old one anyway so essentially they're getting people to pay 3 times the price and get half as much.

All this after i paid nearly 3 grand for my 3 years college then another £750 for an NVQ (which i paid twice because I had to move because there was a lack of work and simply transferring cant be done and colleges don't do refunds) £350 for the 2382 and £200 for my ipaf ticket.

it goes to show why so many people do Electrical Trainee courses though, I'm over 4 grand down and to average joe aka paying customer i am no more qualified than someone who has done their 2382 and registered with NICEIC

suppose thats how its got lately with all the bog companies taking advantage of the situation and milking it by offering pitiful wages for twice the work, we're truly in a pay more get less society.

rant over!!!!!

 

[chrish_1977]

The new 2354 2355 & 2356

I was lucky enough to do 2391, but I have to say that it hasn't made employers jump at the chance to employ me as you are led to think by the agencies etc, if anything it has highlighted the problem with "sparks" being able to use a tester and dying they can test, kind I like a big middle finger to the people who have got the ticket.

That's my rant over too

Chris

 

[Spazz]

I think you got ripped off a little to be honest - the college I just did my 2391 course charged me £395, and they are doing the new 2391 equivalent for the same price.
They also find funding for NVQ.

As far as transferring thats a load of rubbish! - I used to be an NVQ assessor (but for medical courses) and if a student moved for any reason then we would have to travel to them - been to London to assess NVQs before - fair enough they paid my travel and accommodation but neverless.

Plus one of the requirements for an NVQ is that you are in the place of work already and you are able to complete the whole NVQ at the place of work, and if you cant then you wont get on the NVQ - your offered a VRQ, same as if you lose your job - you are placed on the VRQ with no questions asked!

 

[timbobelfast]

Your definately being ripped off! I was able to do the 2391 at my local college for 168 quid.

 

[Skyba]

Your definately being ripped off! I was able to do the 2391 at my local college for 168 quid.

as far as I know the price for the 2391 is set by C&G and I've been told this by 2 colleges at completely different parts of the country.

That's all by the by now anyway as they've replaced it with 3 separate courses

 

[Skyba]

I think you got ripped off a little to be honest - the college I just did my 2391 course charged me £395, and they are doing the new 2391 equivalent for the same price.
They also find funding for NVQ.

As far as transferring thats a load of rubbish! - I used to be an NVQ assessor (but for medical courses) and if a student moved for any reason then we would have to travel to them - been to London to assess NVQs before - fair enough they paid my travel and accommodation but neverless.

Plus one of the requirements for an NVQ is that you are in the place of work already and you are able to complete the whole NVQ at the place of work, and if you cant then you wont get on the NVQ - your offered a VRQ, same as if you lose your job - you are placed on the VRQ with no questions asked!

I asked my old college if they could travel but they wouldn't do it as it would require the guy staying away and even if they would I couldn't afford to pay for him to stay anywhere.
Land the reason they can't transfer is because I paid one college and then when I moved I had to pay the other for their time, they only allowed the registration fee to be waved.

 

[polo1]

The only fees set by C&G are the exam fees, colleges set their own fees for tutoring a course. Fees for the 2394, 2395 etc vary significantly in my area and I guess elsewhere in the country. You need to watch however if the fee quoted includes or exclude the actual exam fee.

Regards

 

[Skyba]

All their fees include the exam fee, I won't be going there anyway as they're not doing the new courses as they feel they're too expensive and they're going with a pointless cheapo equivalent in the hope they'll sell more of them.

 

[Spazz]

In regards to fees - the colleges only have 2 expenses per course - Exam Fee and Tutor Fees
The Exam Fee for the 2391 is £30.00 (inc VAT)
The Tutors are on £50.00(minimum) to £80.00 per day (maximum)
If said college is charging £500 per student and they have 10 students on that course they are paying out £300 in exam fees and £480 (based on 6 weeks - 1 day per week) for tutor fees = total of £780. That means that with 2 full paying students they make a profit! With 10 full paying students they are making £4,220.00 per course!

In regards to the new course (from memory my tutor said) the exam fee is £15.00 per student and all 3 parts can be done in the same amount of time as the 2391!

Based on £1,500 per student and 10 students per course the college is paying out £450 in exam fees and £480 in tutor fees! A Profit of £14,070 for 3 courses!
Like I said your being ripped off!

In regards to the NVQ - the registration fee is £17.50 + VAT per student
The college gets the rest to pay for their assessor to travel to the workplace to look at your folder!
I do understand the principle that no refunds - I never issued refunds for any student but I did have an obligation to complete my part of the contact which was to assess the student till the end unless they failed or withdrawn!

 

[Skyba]

In regards to fees - the colleges only have 2 expenses per course - Exam Fee and Tutor Fees
The Exam Fee for the 2391 is £30.00 (inc VAT)
The Tutors are on £50.00(minimum) to £80.00 per day (maximum)
If said college is charging £500 per student and they have 10 students on that course they are paying out £300 in exam fees and £480 (based on 6 weeks - 1 day per week) for tutor fees = total of £780. That means that with 2 full paying students they make a profit! With 10 full paying students they are making £4,220.00 per course!

In regards to the new course (from memory my tutor said) the exam fee is £15.00 per student and all 3 parts can be done in the same amount of time as the 2391!

Based on £1,500 per student and 10 students per course the college is paying out £450 in exam fees and £480 in tutor fees! A Profit of £14,070 for 3 courses!
Like I said your being ripped off!

In regards to the NVQ - the registration fee is £17.50 + VAT per student
The college gets the rest to pay for their assessor to travel to the workplace to look at your folder!
I do understand the principle that no refunds - I never issued refunds for any student but I did have an obligation to complete my part of the contact which was to assess the student till the end unless they failed or withdrawn!

in regards to rest of your info i am unsure of because all i've done is speak to the college, as for the NVQ registration i know this to be incorrect, registration fee to C&G for the NVQ was £60 and i know this because i was told by city and guilds themselves when i was having issues with my old college, the new college charged the £60 only yet they knocked that off as i had already paid the guild. as for the rest of their NVQ fee's i can kinda understand it as they dont carry out the assessments themselves they use a freelance assessor who must be making a mint out of them.

I hope what you are saying about the new 2391 is true, if it is then happy days but i don't see why a college would say its going to be £500 per course and this is the reason they're not going to run the course as they feel they wont be able to sell them at that price, they could easily lower the price at the numbers you quoted and still make a huge profit.

maybe they're just really greedy.

 

[worzol99]

Skyba,

Good on you for going the right way to get proper electrical qualifications it will stay with you for the long run, if it cost you more so what youve still got them!

Nice to see someone that just doesnt go for the shortcut and actually learns properly

 

[Spazz]

Like I said I was assessing Medical based courses (NVQ Lv1 - 4 in care, Advanced Life Support, etc) Those where £17.50 + VAT per student - with electrical I would not be surprised if they are different.

We where paying our IVs and Assessors £125 per day of assessing, and if we needed to assess someone several hours away we would call a freelance assessor near them and get them in for that hour or two, or I would go up myself and assess them - all depends on cost and notice.

 

[Guest55]

what i have been told is it's not 2 courses its actually 3 and for your qualifications to be equal to having the 2391 you must have all 3 at £500 a pop.

not quite correct , there are indeed 3 separate testing quals but the 2392 is a beginners introduction course , you wont need to do it if you have 2395 & 2394 , which combined does equal the old 2391.

whats wrong with keeping the old qualification??

it was too hard , pure and simple - so C&G broke it down into more managable courses.

from what most people have been saying the new one isn't going to be regarded as being as substantial as the old one anyway so essentially they're getting people to pay 3 times the price and get half as much.

maybe so , but if i didnt have the 2391 i definately would complete both the 2395 and 2394 to future-proof my qualifications to the latest standard.

All this after i paid nearly 3 grand for my 3 years college then another £750 for an NVQ (which i paid twice because I had to move because there was a lack of work and simply transferring cant be done and colleges don't do refunds) £350 for the 2382 and £200 for my ipaf ticket.

it goes to show why so many people do Electrical Trainee courses though, I'm over 4 grand down and to average joe aka paying customer i am no more qualified than someone who has done their 2382 and registered with NICEIC

but at least after all that time , money and training you will bag a gold JIB card , something a Electrical Trainee will never see - rewards take time in this game but are worth the wait as you now have to choice to go solo , cards in , or subby - a good position to be in if you ask me.

rant over!!!!!

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[shagbite]

Your definately being ripped off! I was able to do the 2391 at my local college for 168 quid.

ah, but £168 would pay 12 months wages to a lecturer at kabul college of technology

 

[timbobelfast]

It probally would, but I didn't do it here in Kabul! I done it in Belfast!