NICEIC Certification Scheme The NICEIC creating new roles in the electrical business?

[Gavin John Hyde]

Had this email pop up in my inbox, seems the NICEIC are looking into creating a new role in a electrical business, by sounds of it one rung below QS... Not sure what responsibilities it would give them or would it be the case they can then sign off the certificates?
No doubt it will be an extra money spinner if certsure have any involvement.
Assessing individual competence of electricians
Dear contractor,
The Qualified Supervisor (QS) model has served you well for over 60 years and we plan to continue to offer that model to you our customers.

However, we also appreciate that some electricians are looking for routes to recognise the competence of individuals working within your businesses and who operate under the supervision of a QS and PDH

We are currently investigating ways to assess individual electrician's competence within the existing scheme structure. We want to consult you and get your feedback on our emerging thoughts.

Many aspects of this proposal still need to be ironed out but we are interested in your initial views on this issue and would like to ask you a few questions on the subject, which will not take more than two minutes.

 

[Pete999]

Had this email pop up in my inbox, seems the NICEIC are looking into creating a new role in a electrical business, by sounds of it one rung below QS... Not sure what responsibilities it would give them or would it be the case they can then sign off the certificates?
No doubt it will be an extra money spinner if certsure have any involvement.
Assessing individual competence of electricians
Dear contractor,
The Qualified Supervisor (QS) model has served you well for over 60 years and we plan to continue to offer that model to you our customers.

However, we also appreciate that some electricians are looking for routes to recognise the competence of individuals working within your businesses and who operate under the supervision of a QS and PDH

We are currently investigating ways to assess individual electrician's competence within the existing scheme structure. We want to consult you and get your feedback on our emerging thoughts.

Many aspects of this proposal still need to be ironed out but we are interested in your initial views on this issue and would like to ask you a few questions on the subject, which will not take more than two minutes.

More dosh for the Scams Gavin, how right you are, so not only are they assessing the firm, for competence, they are no going to assess each electrician, I would have thought they need to put their own house in order first.

 

[Octopus]

I would suggest that lots of companies are exploiting the QS scheme as it stands ......... they get unskilled staff to do installation work, then a spark tests it and the QS counter signs the form....................

As Pete says its more revenue for a profit making business.

 

[sham]

Personally I'm thinking of getting a job, it's just this Electrical Industry is full of scams. The ones who seem to be making a decent living are the ones who don't care about schemes and regulations as we are told that it's against the law to do and not do certain things, however there is no enforcement. We are being robbed in every direction and the sad thing is, it's because we are trying to do the right thing. The customer only cares that it switches on.

 

[elsparko]

i think my picture sums up the feeling

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

As the posts above said, I know of several firms with one person as the QS who gets a bunch of cowboys to do the work, was offered some work from one such outfit, told me i was too expensive and dont worry about testing it, just make it up so long as it works.... not for me i am afraid.
These firms usually have a handful of jobs done well to a half decent standard ready for the annual assessment, the others are usually very poor.

 

[elsparko]

As the posts above said, I know of several firms with one person as the QS who gets a bunch of cowboys to do the work, was offered some work from one such outfit, told me i was too expensive and dont worry about testing it, just make it up so long as it works.... not for me i am afraid.
These firms usually have a handful of jobs done well to a half decent standard ready for the annual assessment, the others are usually very poor.

some of the national companies too, heard of a big site where they tested one house and used those results for all the other houses on the site that were the same lol

 

[Pete999]

some of the national companies too, heard of a big site where they tested one house and used those results for all the other houses on the site that were the same lol

 

[Pete999]

As long as the cash keeps on rolling in as they say.

 

[elsparko]

As long as the cash keeps on rolling in as they say.

all well and good till someone has a faulty fridge and a tower block burns down

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

some of the national companies too, heard of a big site where they tested one house and used those results for all the other houses on the site that were the same lol

Happened to me around here not so long ago, went to do some work on some newish flats, the company who did original work got identical results in every apartment, despite the circuits being different lengths and size... all very peculiar! even the rcd's tripped in identical times... Being new builds the certificates were available to look at... told owner/landlord its not worth paper its printed on. good thing is they lost a lot of future work from the developer for that lazy form filling exercise..

 

[MDJ]

i think my picture sums up the feeling

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Oh No a Ginger? does your belly button stick out? lol

 

[Wilko]

As the posts above said, I know of several firms with one person as the QS who gets a bunch of cowboys to do the work, was offered some work from one such outfit, told me i was too expensive and dont worry about testing it, just make it up so long as it works.... not for me i am afraid.
These firms usually have a handful of jobs done well to a half decent standard ready for the annual assessment, the others are usually very poor.

I've seen this too - does my head in. Until each person is licensed and the licence is respected (worth something to have, at risk of being rescinded etc) this will likely continue.

 

[elsparko]

Oh No a Ginger? does your belly button stick out? lol

its not a picture of me LOL, guessing youve never heard of coppercab?

 

[elsparko]

coppercab,hes been on south park too

 

[Pete999]

Had this email pop up in my inbox, seems the NICEIC are looking into creating a new role in a electrical business, by sounds of it one rung below QS... Not sure what responsibilities it would give them or would it be the case they can then sign off the certificates?
No doubt it will be an extra money spinner if certsure have any involvement.
Assessing individual competence of electricians
Dear contractor,
The Qualified Supervisor (QS) model has served you well for over 60 years and we plan to continue to offer that model to you our customers.

However, we also appreciate that some electricians are looking for routes to recognise the competence of individuals working within your businesses and who operate under the supervision of a QS and PDH

We are currently investigating ways to assess individual electrician's competence within the existing scheme structure. We want to consult you and get your feedback on our emerging thoughts.

Many aspects of this proposal still need to be ironed out but we are interested in your initial views on this issue and would like to ask you a few questions on the subject, which will not take more than two minutes.

Bet old TC is sorry he has retired.

 

[Deleted account]

i thought for a moment we where going to start an ugly electrician competition.

 

[elsparko]

i thought for a moment we where going to start an ugly electrician competition.

 

[Pete999]

Had this email pop up in my inbox, seems the NICEIC are looking into creating a new role in a electrical business, by sounds of it one rung below QS... Not sure what responsibilities it would give them or would it be the case they can then sign off the certificates?
No doubt it will be an extra money spinner if certsure have any involvement.
Assessing individual competence of electricians
Dear contractor,
The Qualified Supervisor (QS) model has served you well for over 60 years and we plan to continue to offer that model to you our customers.

However, we also appreciate that some electricians are looking for routes to recognise the competence of individuals working within your businesses and who operate under the supervision of a QS and PDH

We are currently investigating ways to assess individual electrician's competence within the existing scheme structure. We want to consult you and get your feedback on our emerging thoughts.

Many aspects of this proposal still need to be ironed out but we are interested in your initial views on this issue and would like to ask you a few questions on the subject, which will not take more than two minutes.

Bet old TC is sorry he has retired.

 

[MDJ]

i thought for a moment we where going to start an ugly electrician competition.

No doubt Tel would win and Murdoch second, definately, no doubt lol

 

[Pete999]

More dosh for the Scams Gavin, how right you are, so not only are they assessing the firm, for competence, they are no going to assess each electrician, I would have thought they need to put their own house in order first.

 

[paleosparky13]

Had this email pop up in my inbox, seems the NICEIC are looking into creating a new role in a electrical business, by sounds of it one rung below QS... Not sure what responsibilities it would give them or would it be the case they can then sign off the certificates?
No doubt it will be an extra money spinner if certsure have any involvement.
Assessing individual competence of electricians
Dear contractor,
The Qualified Supervisor (QS) model has served you well for over 60 years and we plan to continue to offer that model to you our customers.

However, we also appreciate that some electricians are looking for routes to recognise the competence of individuals working within your businesses and who operate under the supervision of a QS and PDH

We are currently investigating ways to assess individual electrician's competence within the existing scheme structure. We want to consult you and get your feedback on our emerging thoughts.

Many aspects of this proposal still need to be ironed out but we are interested in your initial views on this issue and would like to ask you a few questions on the subject, which will not take more than two minutes.

I've actually threatened to sue a university for demanding that the would-be contractor be niceic registered as part of their tendering spec. Straight onto the competition watchdog. There are other scamsters out there and there is no legal obligation to be member of the niceic or any other. Gas safe, and tank fitters are obliged not us. Give them a huge slap from me.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I've actually threatened to sue a university for demanding that the would-be contractor be niceic registered as part of their tendering spec. Straight onto the competition watchdog. There are other scamsters out there and there is no legal obligation to be member of the niceic or any other. Gas safe, and tank fitters are obliged not us. Give them a huge slap from me.

Doubt you would get far with that.
Not aware of any law which prevents a client from specifying an organisation a contractor should be registered with.

 

[MDJ]

I've actually threatened to sue a university for demanding that the would-be contractor be niceic registered as part of their tendering spec. Straight onto the competition watchdog. There are other scamsters out there and there is no legal obligation to be member of the niceic or any other. Gas safe, and tank fitters are obliged not us. Give them a huge slap from me.

PMSL, Why?

 

[netblindpaul]

Public Sector organisations are not allowed to specify brand names.
It us illegal, as an example, tenders over a certain value must be offered Europe wide.
The NICEIC only operates in the UK.
Thus, by specifying them, you automatically exclude companies not based in the UK.
That’s illegal.
Universities come under Public Sector procurement legislation.
They could legitimately require a scheme membership by describing the generic UKAS model & requirements, which are actually to a recognised published standard.
I don’t recall the exact details now.
However, it is only legitimate for the private sector to specify a particular scheme.

 

[Toneyz]

Happened to me around here not so long ago, went to do some work on some newish flats, the company who did original work got identical results in every apartment, despite the circuits being different lengths and size... all very peculiar! even the rcd's tripped in identical times... Being new builds the certificates were available to look at... told owner/landlord its not worth paper its printed on. good thing is they lost a lot of future work from the developer for that lazy form filling exercise..

My old boss did that with some flats (another job he didn't want me to visit) put loads of certificates in front of me to sign all the same I tell you 0.01 ohms r1+r2 for a lighting circuit year right!