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Pretty much every celeb sparks on Youtube and every celeb diy training video on how to do a board change shows the sparks using an impact driver
When did this become the norm ?
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a Diyer doing their own board change could seriously mangle the terminations using an impact driver
Some people are a wrong tool!I think the problem is that some people use the wrong tool!
My biggest bug bear as well.The misuse of the impact wrench in the tyre bay is one of my annoyances they run the wheel nuts / bolts on to overtight and then use the torque wrench that instantly clicks to confirm the right torque. I remember many years ago stopping to help a woman that had a puncture the wheel had been fitted a few weeks before and the standard wrench in the car wouldn't move the wheel bolts, I always have a long 30" breaker bar and a selection of sockets to fit wheel nuts in my vehicle so expected it to be easy to get the wheel bolts moving and it wasn't I ended up jumping on the bar and eventually got them moving I suggested she got some new bolts as they had been excessively overtightened and used a different tyre bay to get the puncture fixed if that was the way the one she had used fitted wheels
BUTCHERY, Cowboy practiceDeja vu anyone?
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So if you’re using anything other than a hand held torque screwdriver, or adaptor, then you are not following manufacturers instructions…Yes, L-S, from the video linked above,
Yeh… I’ve got one. Hardly been used.You can get electric screwdrivers specifically designed not to over-tighten terminals such as this:
But not cheap!E-screwdriver, starter set speedE® I electric
Product description Anyone who spends much of the day fastening screws knows how much time it takes and the considerable strain it causes to wrists…www.wiha.com
It's more a case of using a impact driver as a powered screwdriver. Tighten to the point the cables are held then run down with the torque driver.
Pretty much every celeb sparks on Youtube and every celeb diy training video on how to do a board change shows the sparks using an impact driver
When did this become the norm ?
Its how a impact works.... its not smooth or subtle .It smashes its way until its stopped . Drill has far more control and less chances of damageIt's more a case of using a impact driver as a powered screwdriver. Tighten to the point the cables are held then run down with the torque driver.
It takes a lot of strain of the wrists.
Now, I know some will never accept it but its not really all that controversial. You can rip the guts out of an MCB terminal with a hand held screwdriver, you don't because you don't over tighten them, exactly the same with an impact. You just don't rattle them.
No it isn't, it has a variable trigger or mine does.Its how a impact works.... its not smooth or subtle .It smashes its way until its stopped . Drill has far more control and less chances of damage
I have to agree with this, as it happens I don't do it this way but I find it hard to argue with someone that does.It's more a case of using a impact driver as a powered screwdriver. Tighten to the point the cables are held then run down with the torque driver.
It takes a lot of strain of the wrists.
Now, I know some will never accept it but its not really all that controversial. You can rip the guts out of an MCB terminal with a hand held screwdriver, you don't because you don't over tighten them, exactly the same with an impact. You just don't rattle them.
ExactNo it isn't, it has a variable trigger or mine does.
It also doesn't "impact" until it reaches a certain resistance which engages the "hammer".
The "hammer" is actually two parts, one anvil attached to the bit holder and another spring-loaded anvil is driven by the motor. Only when enough resistance is met by the fixing will sufficient torque be applied by the motor for the spring to be compressed allowing the the anvils to ride over each other and apply the hammer action.
There's some good animation in this video that shows the anvils in motion.
I don't have this exact model and have to rely on my finger.
You can be surprisingly subtle with an impact before it starts to impact.
That's old news now, oil pulse impact drivers are the way forward! Super quiet and low vibration as well as massive power in a small unit. I love my Milwaukee 12V oil driver, it will drive screws with tremendous force, it has a lot more control that my previous one. I don't think I'd use it for tightening terminals though.The "hammer" is actually two parts, one anvil attached to the bit holder and another spring-loaded anvil is driven by the motor. Only when enough resistance is met by the fixing will sufficient torque be applied by the motor for the spring to be compressed allowing the the anvils to ride over each other and apply the hammer action.
Why, in these threads, do the anti camp always refer to 'tightening' when the pro camp always, and without fail, talk about running up, or nipping up prior to fully tightening.I don't think I'd use it for tightening terminals though.
I said I wouldn't use it for tightening, I didn't mention the other things... I wish I took a photo of the neutral bar that was returned to the wholesalers last year. The bloke installing it was tightening with an impact driver. So much force was applied that the bar split between a large section of the wire entry holes.Why, in these threads, do the anti camp always refer to 'tightening' when the pro camp always, and without fail, talk about running up, or nipping up prior to fully tightening.
Show us you bit n brace then, Luddite.Its unnecessary to use such tools just dam right lazy.
Remember getting a "good hiding" for knackering my old man's. Think it was either light sabre or sonic screwdriver related tomfoolery.
And at the point of impacting will it have reached the correct torque and what happens in that split second etc where its still running ? A small drill with controlled torque points and a nice action trigger is still superior as it will stop when told to !No it isn't, it has a variable trigger or mine does.
It also doesn't "impact" until it reaches a certain resistance which engages the "hammer".
The "hammer" is actually two parts, one anvil attached to the bit holder and another spring-loaded anvil is driven by the motor. Only when enough resistance is met by the fixing will sufficient torque be applied by the motor for the spring to be compressed allowing the the anvils to ride over each other and apply the hammer action.
There's some good animation in this video that shows the anvils in motion.
I don't have this exact model and have to rely on my finger.
You can be surprisingly subtle with an impact before it starts to impact.
You don't get anywhere near the point of impacting, it's called trigger discipline, the more you practice the better you get.And at the point of impacting will it have reached the correct torque and what happens in that split second etc where its still running ? A small drill with controlled torque points and a nice action trigger is still superior as it will stop when told to !
Dusty I can’t answer that but the young bucks have all there tools that is battery powered. We didn’t have technology in the old days. I’m not sure if they know how to use real tools without batteries.
Pretty much every celeb sparks on Youtube and every celeb diy training video on how to do a board change shows the sparks using an impact driver
When did this become the norm ?
I think is the problemDusty I can’t answer that but the young bucks have all there tools that is battery powered. We didn’t have technology in the old days. I’m not sure if they know how to use real tools without batteries.
W.T.F?I think is the problem
The other day I watched a young lad trying to change a plug top using his 18v impact drill
So unless you finish with a torque driver .How do you know you are within the level the RCBO is made for etc ? With a drill set with different torques , you can measure each...Or as I did , email festool and ask them !! Chances are if you took 100 people and asked them to use the festool and a impact , they will get it a lot closer with the festool etc ? As they cannot make the drill go past each setting just by using the triggerYou don't get anywhere near the point of impacting, it's called trigger discipline, the more you practice the better you get.
I can fix a plastic back box with it as well and without smashing the living love out of it.
My dentistry with it is still a work in progress though, not many willing volunteers to practice on.
So unless you finish with a torque driver.
How do you know you are within the level the RCBO is made for etc ?
With a drill set with different torques , you can measure each...Or as I did , email festool and ask them !! Chances are if you took 100 people and asked them to use the festool and a impact , they will get it a lot closer with the festool etc ? As they cannot make the drill go past each setting just by using the trigger
Don’t tell me you use an impact driver!There is, after all, more than one way to skin a cat.
I agree! I just think a drill with 1-11 torque settings is a better optionI think my first/second post on this thread states that's exactly what I do.
Because my torque screwdriver is calibrated and the correct and recommended tool.
If that works for you and gives you the correct results then crack on but don't assume someone doing something differently to you doesn't know what they're doing.
There is, after all, more than one way to skin a cat.
Not always I but have, in combination with a torque screwdriver.Don’t tell me you use an impact driver!
Still as rough as a Badgers wotnot way of doing itNot watched… but is it an impact, or a torque setting on screwdriver?
I think you can get torque adapters for battery drills/drivers that are as exact as the hand held torque drivers from WERA/ WIHA ….. which is the preferred method of tightening terminals
If he is a Butcher he still does, but knot knowing him I can't be sureDon’t tell me you use an impact driver!
I'm trying very hard not to picture where exactly you put the torque driver while you skinned the cat with the impact driver.Not always I but have, in combination with a torque screwdriver.
Celeb Spark??????????????? Celeb Money grabber you surely mean Mate, cus most of these "Celeb Sparks" have a cheek calling themselves Sparks, the Trade is dying a slow death.
Pretty much every celeb sparks on Youtube and every celeb diy training video on how to do a board change shows the sparks using an impact driver
When did this become the norm ?
Couldn't agree more and the slow death is rapidly speeding upCeleb Spark??????????????? Celeb Money grabber you surely mean Mate, cus most of these "Celeb Sparks" have a cheek calling themselves Sparks, the Trade is dying a slow death.
Some of the new build lash-up wiring i have seen over the past 5-10 years , the trade died along time agoCouldn't agree more and the slow death is rapidly speeding up
Bloody disgraceful, definitely saw the best times in the late 70's to the late 80's IMOSome of the new build lash-up wiring i have seen over the past 5-10 years , the trade died along time ago
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