NICEIC Certification Scheme NICEIC Blackmail

[brizospark]

Thanks for clarifying biff

 

[Pete999]

Rooster rip off you mean mate I'm vexed, so vexed I could almost pack it in, seen some of the crap installed by 5 week winkers not all but the majority

 

[Redvanman]

There is no LEGAL requirement to be registered with a scheme in order to issue an electrical installation certificate for work which you have carried out

I didn't say that you had to join a scheme for legal reasons just that the Part P is a legal requirement.
As I said it is cheaper to be a member than pay over the top prices for a third party unless you only do one or two Part P jobs a year

 

[Redvanman]

It is a load of twaddle, i do quite a few private jobs now days and im not with a scam either.
5 year apprenticeship plus did my 2391 yet still expected to join a scheme and line there pockets..... dont bloody think so!!!
My attitude to it now is why should i turn down the odd private job because if i dont do the work then john wayne rides in on his horse after 5 weeks of training and does it anyway with no testing done what so ever!!!
At the very least i know ive carried out all testing and customer can rest assured its a neat job and above all SAFE!!!!

Are your jobs notifiable ?

 

[Silly Sausage]

building notification is the legal responsibility of the property owner , not the electrical contractor
and anyone can issue electrical certs.

I hope Murdoch doesn't see this. :smilielol5:

 

[Redvanman]

building notification is the legal responsibility of the property owner , not the electrical contractor
and anyone can issue electrical certs.

Your absolutely correct but do you tell your customers that they have to arrange for the Part P compliance at they own cost

 

[Guest55]

i dont do domestic work period , so of no relevence to me.

but the law allows the consumer freedom of choice on whom they employ , and thats the important thing.

 

[Brightspark2]

If your losing a lot of work because of it then bite your lip and join...

Companies feel more comfortable if a contractor is an NIC member as it means someone is verifying there work complies with regulations and is to a high standard (or susposed to be (so hold your fire))

You can argue with them if you want but likely you'll just lose the work and they will get a contractor who is registered...

Our registration pays for itself as we wouldn't have 75% of the work if we were not registered (we don't do domestic)


As biff says it's a buisness decision...

 

[Guest55]

I hope Murdoch doesn't see this. :smilielol5:

why is that ?

 

[Silly Sausage]

why is that ?

According to M (apologies if it isn't him!), on previous threads, doing notifiable work and leaving it to the customer the responsibility of notifying it, is tantamount to Fraud! Even if you inform the customer of the fact.

 

[Redvanman]

I'd be quite interested in how many people have moaned about this and have left their scheme.
Has it affected they work (not that they would tell you )
You hear guys banging on about it all the time
You've got to remember NIC, ECA have been around for years with there approved scheme and I can't remember guys moaning about that but you still had to be a member to get the big contracts.
Its the government of the day that organises Part P

 

[Guest55]

.....tantamount to Fraud! Even if you inform the customer of the fact.

why is it fraud if the client is aware of their responsibilities but they still choose to hire a contractor who isnt member of a scheme ?
sorry , dont see any crime there.

 

[baldsparkies]

The NIC or any other governing body are there for part P compliance certs cus notification is cheaper that way.
So domestic installer full scope is good enough for all domestic work.
as far as commercial is concerned. Most of the Facility Managers we work for use us because we are experienced old farts with JIB approved electrician status, and electrical site manager status.
NIC get £400 a year to eat my jammy dodgers and drink my coffee. But they also put up with me lecturing them when they come to asses each year, so its six of one half dozen of the other.
When they insist we should go approved with the experience and type of work we cover. We say No, why bother,dont want to. They say we would get more work that way, I know thats crap because no NIC person has ever given us a commercial job lead.
Join the NICEIC by all means it helps get your foot in the door.
But its you, your experience, and the quality of your installs that will get you work.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I get this from my other halfs old man. He's a building surveyor. He loves telling me whenever is see him that i should be NIC. One day i might remove his lips.

here...theres a cost effective solution for this:

 

[guest119]

The NICEIC was a regstered non profit charity, is that not still the case?

Boydy

 

[R G]

The NICEIC was a regstered non profit charity, is that not still the case?

Boydy

Charity begins at home ,,,,,,Their home,,,,,lol...

 

[trev]

More fuel to the fire of the FB campaign as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Octopus]

building notification is the legal responsibility of the property owner , not the electrical contractor and anyone can issue electrical certs.

Sorry mate but you are wrong:

Extract from the latest version of Part P:

"Section 3: Certification, Inspection and Testing

General

3.1 For notifiable electrical installation work, one of the following three procedures must be used to certify that the work complies with the requirements set out in the Building Regulations.

a. Self-certification by a registered competent person.

b. Third-Party certification by a registered third party certifier.

c. Certification by a building control body."

Which I read as the installer is responsible

 

[Octopus]

I hope Murdoch doesn't see this. :smilielol5:

he, he. Too late

 

[Octopus]

In Court, when you are being cross examined you will be asked about Part P, which you will acknowledge understanding of as you claim to be a competent person.

The next question will be why didn't you disclose this requirement to the homeowner?

Then you are bxllxcked.