2nd fixing LED d/lights and J/boxes

[driverman]

Hi Guys, As some of you regulars know, I'm doing a one off new house install. I'm now in the process of 2nd fixing Ovia click LED d/lights. Over many weeks reading threads on here about 17th edition joint boxes being of the correct type so as no strain on terminals if cable pulled etc. It does surprise me though when fixing/ connecting the light fittings that the cables (up to 3 x cables @ each fitting) can be connected into the click connector block without any cable clamp to restrain the cables. The click connecting block have 3 x cables entries points, however any cable points that are not used are just left open, no knock outs or blanking off method. Not only that the cables are loose from the ceiling when connecting and then just pushed up through the hole along with the floating joint box. In the loft space, as no insulation laid down as yet, it looks like a complete mess. What are your thoughts re the method of connecting these d/lighters and j/boxes?

 

[Plonker 3]

Use these JBs then


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ashley-Profile-Torpedo-Downlighter-Junction/dp/B00BATALFO

 

[Leesparkykent]

Do the cables terminate in to a male plug then click in to female socket that's part of the fitting?

 

[driverman]

Use these JBs then


Ashley J501 Low Profile Torpedo Shaped Downlighter Junction Box 16A: Amazon.co.uk: Kitchen & Home

Thanks for reply....Possibly I didn't make myself clear. I was using the manufactures click type connection unit supplied with each led fitting. What i was trying to do was compare the two types of j/boxes. It would appear that there is more importance / safety features placed on every day j/boxes than the ones supplies with LED d/light fittins

 

[driverman]

Do the cables terminate in to a male plug then click in to female socket that's part of the fitting?

Yes exactly that, then pushed up into ceiling. I'm sure it done this way all over the country nowadays

 

[Leesparkykent]

They still have a compression clamp thingy lol don't they?

 

[Plonker 3]

Thanks for reply....Possibly I didn't make myself clear. I was using the manufactures click type connection unit supplied with each led fitting. What i was trying to do was compare the two types of j/boxes. It would appear that there is more importance / safety features placed on every day j/boxes than the ones supplies with LED d/light fittins

Sorry my mistake, you on about these type of plugs?

http://www.edwardes.co.uk/en/produc...ource=google&utm_campaign=google_shopping&p=1

 

[driverman]

Sorry my mistake, you on about these type of plugs?

Click CT202C 20amp 4 Pin Lighting Plug & Socket - Edwardes

Yes,thats it. They are designed for 3 x cables and spare way if loop system used which is handy)

 

[driverman]

They still have a compression clamp thingy lol don't they?

No, nothing at all. Plus when lid clicked back into position, any cable entry points not used are left open.
Even the old Ashley / Rock J/boxes had a facility to close off any cable entry points not used, by rotating the lid!

 

[Andy78]

You get click connectors with or without cable restraints. The ones without restraints are not suitable for "floating" connection as regards the regs.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Oh I haven't used them personally, I've seen them tho and always thought they had a mechanism to grip the cable. I like the Ashley junction box that dillb put up but on the down lighters you have I take it you have no choice but to use the click connector. If they don't have a grip I don't see how they can comply.

 

[Plonker 3]

If they don't have a grip I don't see how they can comply.

If they are supplied by the manufacturer then as long all the MI is followed it doesnt have too.

edit: and also carries relevant BS numbers.

 

[driverman]

Oh I haven't used them personally, I've seen them tho and always thought they had a mechanism to grip the cable. I like the Ashley junction box that dillb put up but on the down lighters you have I take it you have no choice but to use the click connector. If they don't have a grip I don't see how they can comply.

Thats my point, and especially as the cables can not be clipped. It does seem a step backwards.

 

[driverman]

You get click connectors with or without cable restraints. The ones without restraints are not suitable for "floating" connection as regards the regs.

That is what concerns me. They are a decent company so it would appear, their fittings are sold through electrical wholesalers.

 

[driverman]

If they are supplied by the manufacturer then as long all the MI is followed it doesnt have too.

edit: and also carries relevant BS numbers.

Generally....how are most LED light fittings connected. do most come with a flying lead?

 

[driverman]

If they are supplied by the manufacturer then as long all the MI is followed it doesnt have too.

edit: and also carries relevant BS numbers.

I will look at all the small print and see what info given.

 

[Plonker 3]

Any concerns then contact the manufacturer and ask them if you could use something like what I posted originally if possible.

 

[amlu]

prewire them with some heat resistant flex then connect it up with some wagoboxes and wagos.

 

[driverman]

Ahh just read the warranty small print. Light fittings sold to customer who is not an electrician (they knew that) and told him 7 year warranty, which is correct. But reading the application to register on line with info etc, you must supply your "approved installer license number" NICEIC, NAPIT or similar. I'm not a registered electrician so the way I'm reading this, I can't get the 7 year warranty! Possible phone call after the holidays to wholesalers/ manufactures. I've fitted about 20 upstairs and require another 30 downstairs, not if i don't get any warranties!

 

[Midwest]

Hi Guys, As some of you regulars know, I'm doing a one off new house install. I'm now in the process of 2nd fixing Ovia click LED d/lights. Over many weeks reading threads on here about 17th edition joint boxes being of the correct type so as no strain on terminals if cable pulled etc.

Are they the Scholmore Interceptor Downlights? If so I wouldn't worry too much, fitted a few myself, quite popular luminaires. Most LED downlight manufactures are offering extended warranties now, but you have to be in a GASP scheme to afford your domestic customers the additional couple of years. The manufacturer wouldn't be confident in offering an extended warranty, regards of scheme membership. I suppose the manufacturer does this in the hope their product is installed correctly (i.e. these products should not be covered with insulation)

If you are concerned with the supplied connectors, you could replace the female part with the 'click' product CT102C (believe they are compatible)

 

[Risteard]

If you are concerned with the supplied connectors, you could replace the female part with the 'click' product CT102C (believe they are compatible)

I prefer them as they have cable clamps, but the CT101C which doesn't have a restraint is far, far more common. In my opinion they do not comply.