3 wireless networks in one house

[egginyourface]

Good evening all

Customer has requested we wire his house so that he can have a wireless router on each floor. Is this possible?

In addition We are wiring every room with a Ethernet point from one central location. Will this system work and allow client to have wireless for each floor?

He has also requested by point in every room. Is it a good idea to run cat5 in a daisy chain for by or just pull single cable to each room from central location?

Thanks

 

[egginyourface]

Bt points

 

[DPG]

You don't want a separate wireless router on each floor, you want to use plug-in wif-fi range extenders. Nice and simple, no wires - just a plug in module. Takes the wif signal from the main router and boosts it. Or you could take CAT 5 from the main router to a switch/hub on each floor. Depends how easy the wiring access is. Daz

 

[Flanders]

Run a separate cat 5 to each point you can't run 2 items on one cat5 so daisy chain is out , Can't see a problem with multiple routers either but I'm sure there is other ways to do it rather than using routers

 

[egginyourface]

We've suggested point in every room. Could switch/Hub be fitted in room if clients choice and work it like that?

 

[Andy78]

As above, use wifi range extenders. Or you could use home plug wifi transmitters, interwebz pushed down the socket wiring then out from a wifi transmitter at any chosen socket.

 

[egginyourface]

The daisy chain is for the bt points. Is it better to do this single cable to each room?

 

[Flanders]

Yes agree with Daz I thought there would be a way without using routers

 

[Flanders]

If they are only going to use BT points than daisy chain it but you would not be able to use them as data points in the future if you are fitting a patch panel I would run separate cat 5 to keep it future proof Smart TVs and the like all use hard wire data AND THE CUSTOMER MAY CHANGE THERE MIND ON there use

 

[egginyourface]

Thought routers in a room that client chooses would be better idea. Wouldn't Wifi boosters and extenders not be very reliable?

 

[Flanders]

I thought the router was just to get you to the outside world can you not get wireless network switches ?

 

[egginyourface]

We are running seperate cable for the Ethernet to each room and thinking about pulling in second cable for Bt from same location. So basically 2 x cat 5 in one back box. Will the Bt side be simple to connect up or will we need to call in a specialist to connect up?

 

[Andy78]

Thought routers in a room that client chooses would be better idea. Wouldn't Wifi boosters and extenders not be very reliable?

If you went for homeplug/powerline wifi transmitters, they are very reliable, and the system is fully adaptable by the user.

 

[egginyourface]

I don't know enough about how routers work. Just trying to find out how I should wire the place so it's future proof.

 

[Andy78]

I don't know enough about how routers work. Just trying to find out how I should wire the place so it's future proof.

Future proofing the house ? forget about cat5 then. Cat5e handles faster speeds, and cat6 is certified for gigabit speed use. If they want gigabit routers in for fast speeds to the wired points, then long runs of cat5 may prevent the optimum speeds being achieved.

 

[Flanders]

TELEPHONE points are really easy if you already have cat 5 to each room for the data then daisy chain a the second cat 5 for the telephone you only need 1 pair for the telephone line so you could run up to 4 lines down 1 cat 5

 

[egginyourface]

Wouldn't you take by points back to one central point? Thought that with daisy chains maximum you could have was three?

Incase I can't check messages thanks all for the pointers

 

[Flanders]

I think your right on 3 phones per line the safest option it to run separate cables to each point but like I said if you cant run separate cables then by using the cat 5 you can use the blue pair for point 1 the ,orange pair for point 2, green pair for point 3 and brown pair for point 4 , you will need 2 pairs for a master phone point though

 

[egginyourface]

Thanks for the advice

 

[dan86]

Future proofing the house ? forget about cat5 then. Cat5e handles faster speeds, and cat6 is certified for gigabit speed use. If they want gigabit routers in for fast speeds to the wired points, then long runs of cat5 may prevent the optimum speeds being achieved.

IIRC, the max length recommended for Cat 5 is 100m. after that, data transfer rate will drop significantly.
and if i've read the first post correctly, the customer wants wifi available all over the house and an ethernet point in each room?
bit excessive, but if that's what he wants
i would just run your selected cable (prob best using Cat 6) to each room and back down to a patch panel somewhere convenient (under the stairs is always a popular place.
hope this helps. if not, tuff :tongue3:

 

[UNG]

I think your right on 3 phones per line the safest option it to run separate cables to each point but like I said if you cant run separate cables then by using the cat 5 you can use the blue pair for point 1 the ,orange pair for point 2, green pair for point 3 and brown pair for point 4 , you will need 2 pairs for a master phone point though

Why would you wire 4 points on separate pairs down one cat5 also why 2 pairs for a master

 

[JamieK]

I do these systems all the time and it's interesting to see the different approaches to achieve the customer requirement.

this is how I would do it.

Route a cat5e cable from each room where a hard wired internet connection is specified back to the main cupboard or termination point, ideally where the other services in the home are located.

Route a cat5e cable to where each of the 3 wireless access points will be located, these are best located fixed to the ceiling and some very discrete access points are available that blend in nicely but give great coverage.

this will mean you end up with a bunch of cat5e cables in one location star wired to each room and the 3 access points.

the customer will provide the modem/router and you will either need to terminate the cat5e into a patched panel or just stick an rj45 connector on the end. Either way each cable will need to be connects to a switch and these are inexpensive. A 24 way switch should suffice in this case. You then connect one Ethernet cable from the router to the switch and this produces the local area network...it's easy if you avoid all the terms involved as it guys love to abbreviate stuff and make it sound more difficult than it is!

Terminate the other end of each cable into an rj45 faceplate or module and stick an rj45 connector where the 3 access points will be located.

from experience you are taking a massive gamble if you use wifi range extenders as they are subject to a single point of failure and can be very unstable/prone to interference. If you hard wire an access point it will be very stable and give you no issues.

are you configuring the access points too?

hope I've helped but feel free to ask anything you need, if you need a part list and diagram just give me a nudge.

 

[Flanders]

Why would you wire 4 points on separate pairs down one cat5 also why 2 pairs for a master

So you can but them on separate lines if required and I thought you need a 3rd wire on a master point for the phone ringer to work or was that an 90s things(hence to 2 pairs)

 

[UNG]

So you can but them on separate lines if required and I thought you need a 3rd wire on a master point for the phone ringer to work or was that an 90s things(hence to 2 pairs)

The ringing wire became surplus to requirements when they introduced the digital exchanges in the 80's and early 90's. This has been covered in numerous threads and posts mainly relating to broadband speed problems caused by interference having the ringing / bell wire connected

 

[Flanders]

The ringing wire became surplus to requirements when they introduced the digital exchanges in the 80's and early 90's. This has been covered in numerous threads and posts mainly relating to broadband speed problems caused by interference having the ringing / bell wire connected

Shows how long it is since I fitted a telephone line and thanks for correcting me

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Is there a big price difference between a roll of cat5e and cat6?

 

[dan86]

depends on where you buy it from I guess. usually not more than a fiver or so in it.

 

[Grey Master]

Where there is broadband there is no need for the third wire. As long as you have the filter takes care of things as most new phones are two wire

 

[Golden_Boy]

I do these systems all the time and it's interesting to see the different approaches to achieve the customer requirement.

this is how I would do it.

Route a cat5e cable from each room where a hard wired internet connection is specified back to the main cupboard or termination point, ideally where the other services in the home are located.

Route a cat5e cable to where each of the 3 wireless access points will be located, these are best located fixed to the ceiling and some very discrete access points are available that blend in nicely but give great coverage.

this will mean you end up with a bunch of cat5e cables in one location star wired to each room and the 3 access points.

the customer will provide the modem/router and you will either need to terminate the cat5e into a patched panel or just stick an rj45 connector on the end. Either way each cable will need to be connects to a switch and these are inexpensive. A 24 way switch should suffice in this case. You then connect one Ethernet cable from the router to the switch and this produces the local area network...it's easy if you avoid all the terms involved as it guys love to abbreviate stuff and make it sound more difficult than it is!

Terminate the other end of each cable into an rj45 faceplate or module and stick an rj45 connector where the 3 access points will be located.

from experience you are taking a massive gamble if you use wifi range extenders as they are subject to a single point of failure and can be very unstable/prone to interference. If you hard wire an access point it will be very stable and give you no issues.

are you configuring the access points too?

hope I've helped but feel free to ask anything you need, if you need a part list and diagram just give me a nudge.

The above approach is 100% correct. One thing more to think about is power to the acces points. A half decent Access point will be able to make use of POE ( power over ethernet ) where the power supplies for the access points are co-located nest to the switch. that way no power cables to run.

we use these AP-5131 Wireless Access Point

a bit expensive though.