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It would seem that there are some of you reading this who would think so, one person inparticular, due to the fact that I have some German World War II 'geezer' as my avatar.

This got me thinking because I did wonder whether people who maybe read the forum but don't often contribute, thus not knowing me, read what I say but can't get past the fact that I have this 'evil' man as my avatar. So... In order to prevent anyone getting their knickers in a twist I thought I might take the opportunity to give those of you who either don't know who the fella is, or think that he is some kind of ---- character, a little lesson in history.

The man in that picture to the left is Field Marshall Erwin Rommel, a highly decorated and highly respected German tank general during World War II. He is probably best known for his leadership of German forces during the 1941-1943 North Africa campaign.

Like many ordinary German men, he was going about his business one day as a German army officer, the next he was thrust into fighting a war on behalf of Adof Hitler. He was not a member of the ---- party, the Geheime Staatspolizei (Gestapo), nor was he a member of the Schutzstaffel (SS). He was just a regular guy.

Field Marshall Rommel was well respected by his British adversary Field Marshall Bernard (Monty) Montgomery. Rommel was well known to have disobeyed direct orders from the German high command during his time as commander of the 7th Panzer division during the 1940 invasion of France to deport French Jews. He wrote to Hitler many times to make known his disgust at the treatment of Jews. He also disobeyed direct orders to execute Jewish prisoners of war. As commander of the 15th and 21st Panzer divisions (Afrka Korps) during the North Africa campaign he was evidently a very professional man when it came to the treatment of captured British soldiers making sure that they were adequately fed, and treated with respect and humanity. Again, he disobeyed direct orders to execute captured British Royal Marines. Even after a failed attempt to capture Rommel by the British, the British Colonel who was killed in the attack was given a buriel with full military honours which Rommel himself attended to pay his respects.

After Rommel was implicated in a plot to kill Hitler, he was forced to commit suicide. After the war this information was brought to light by his son Manfred, who funnily enough, as a kid wanted to join the Hitler youth and was banned from doing so by his father. Field Marshall Montgomery was once quoted as saying "It's a shame I never had the opportunity to meet the man [Rommel] in person".

The reason for his picture as my avatar? Well it's simple really. I admire the man. I certainly didn't ever think that I may end up offending people by doing so?! I just stuck the fella's picture up that's all. I served as a main battle tank operator in the British Army and regularly read his work. Excerpts from Rommels books are to this day used to train soldiers in armoured warfare due to his knowledge as a brilliant military tactician. He coined the phrase Blitzkrieg (lightning war) due to his tactic of striking quickly during his offensive movements. "The key to securing victory is concentrating your strength at one point, forcing a breakthrough, rolling up and securing the flanks on either side, and then penetrating like lightning deep into his rear (ooh err ;)), before the enemy has time to react." is a quote I learned by rote during my phase 2 training to become a tank crewman. This quote is Rommel's.

So I come back round, full circle to my original question; Am I a ----? Well, I'll let you lot be the judge of that. One thing I can say however is that the gentleman in the picture to the left, Erwin Rommel, certainly was not!

Any of you still offended by my avatar? First I would emplore you to do your own research before jumping to small minded conclusions. Secondly, if you're still not satisfied, well, I guess you'll just have to stay offended won't you.

Peace
 
It would seem that there are some of you reading this who would think so, one person inparticular, due to the fact that I have some German World War II 'geezer' as my avatar.

This got me thinking because I did wonder whether people who maybe read the forum but don't often contribute, thus not knowing me, read what I say but can't get past the fact that I have this 'evil' man as my avatar. So... In order to prevent anyone getting their knickers in a twist I thought I might take the opportunity to give those of you who either don't know who the fella is, or think that he is some kind of ---- character, a little lesson in history.

The man in that picture to the left is Field Marshall Erwin Rommel, a highly decorated and highly respected German tank general during World War II. He is probably best known for his leadership of German forces during the 1941-1943 North Africa campaign.

Like many ordinary German men, he was going about his business one day as a German army officer, the next he was thrust into fighting a war on behalf of Adof Hitler. He was not a member of the ---- party, the Geheime Staatspolizei (Gestapo), nor was he a member of the Schutzstaffel (SS). He was just a regular guy.

Field Marshall Rommel was well respected by his British adversary Field Marshall Bernard (Monty) Montgomery. Rommel was well known to have disobeyed direct orders from the German high command during his time as commander of the 7th Panzer division during the 1940 invasion of France to deport French Jews. He wrote to Hitler many times to make known his disgust at the treatment of Jews. He also disobeyed direct orders to execute Jewish prisoners of war. As commander of the 15th and 21st Panzer divisions (Afrka Korps) during the North Africa campaign he was evidently a very professional man when it came to the treatment of captured British soldiers making sure that they were adequately fed, and treated with respect and humanity. Again, he disobeyed direct orders to execute captured British Royal Marines. Even after a failed attempt to capture Rommel by the British, the British Colonel who was killed in the attack was given a buriel with full military honours which Rommel himself attended to pay his respects.

After Rommel was implicated in a plot to kill Hitler, he was forced to commit suicide. After the war this information was brought to light by his son Manfred, who funnily enough, as a kid wanted to join the Hitler youth and was banned from doing so by his father. Field Marshall Montgomery was once quoted as saying "It's a shame I never had the opportunity to meet the man [Rommel] in person".

The reason for his picture as my avatar? Well it's simple really. I admire the man. I certainly didn't ever think that I may end up offending people by doing so?! I just stuck the fella's picture up that's all. I served as a main battle tank operator in the British Army and regularly read his work. Excerpts from Rommels books are to this day used to train soldiers in armoured warfare due to his knowledge as a brilliant military tactician. He coined the phrase Blitzkrieg (lightning war) due to his tactic of striking quickly during his offensive movements. "The key to securing victory is concentrating your strength at one point, forcing a breakthrough, rolling up and securing the flanks on either side, and then penetrating like lightning deep into his rear (ooh err ;)), before the enemy has time to react." is a quote I learned by rote during my phase 2 training to become a tank crewman. This quote is Rommel's.

So I come back round, full circle to my original question; Am I a ----? Well, I'll let you lot be the judge of that. One thing I can say however is that the gentleman in the picture to the left, Erwin Rommel, certainly was not!

Any of you still offended by my avatar? First I would emplore you to do your own research before jumping to small minded conclusions. Secondly, if you're still not satisfied, well, I guess you'll just have to stay offended won't you.

Peace

Well said Mr Skelton, I was telling camerbloke this morning about the guy you were referring to (No not Irwin) the one who thought it was offensive, I was honestly going to research the Field Marshal, but it obviously got up your nose being referred to as a ----, that you beat me to it, well done.
I was thinking of changing my avatar but I think Gene is a nasty enough person, now fire up the Quatro.
 
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Thanks very much for the history lesson. A very interesting and well written post.
To be honest it had never once crossed my mind that your picture had anything to do with any political leanings of your own. I don't know why, it just didn't. Perhaps it's the way you conduct yourself on the forum.
If your MO on this forum was to post sporadic, ill crafted posts that confused most people, interspersed with blurted opinions that had no explanation or follow up however, then I might have thought you the type ;)
 
Like many who grew up in the aftermath of WW2 I was born in 1949, I grew up playing jerries and british war games with my pals and cousins, my parents, uncles, and many of the adults around us at that time served in the armed forces, of course then feeling and nerves were still raw, although the grown ups spoke seldom about the actual fighting they were involved in stories abounded about army life in general mostly humorous and some about the escapades during leave, as I got older an uncle who was a particularly close who served in the dessert spoke highly of the man and although severeral ranks apart and the enemy he always said Rommel could have had survived the war, but not Hitler, and your about are far from a ---- as it is possible to be anyway that is my view
 
Hi,

Difficult one, personally I have never liked the Avatar but I wouldn't go as far as condemning it out of hand. I have read a lot about WW2, which I won't go into on here , will take too long. I don't have a problem with the German people, I lived there for nearly 5 years but I for one would like you to change the Avatar.

That is my personal opinion and no offence is made towards you Damien.

Regards.
 
I remember making a similar post about Rommel a year or so ago when someone on the solar forums was querying your avatar.

It's important to remember that not all German army officers, or other ranks were Nazis, and some like Rommel did at least as much to stand up against the Nazis war crimes as any allied soldier, and also paid the ultimate price for taking that stand.
 
it don't offend me. any more than a pic of napoleon or genghis khan
 
Are you a ----? The term '----' is an abbreviation of 'National Socialist', so technically as a supporter of National Socialism I suppose you are a '----'.

A more relevant question would be 'Is National Socialism a bad thing? As we've discussed before, National Socialism actually seems to work, but the racism, homophobia, anti-semitism and aryan supremacy in the 30s and 40s gave National Socialism a bad reputation.
 
I love German history and the ----'s
which is why I never miss an episode of Allo Allo.
 

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