C/U change with housing Association

[needasparks]

how does anything brake if it worked fine before it broke? like i said all the circuits hvbe been extended at some point with connector blocks and J/B's.

the wiring is that old that in places we still have aluminium conductors!

Looks like your stuck with correcting the problem circuit, good luck with the assesment with all the issues you say are present, the inspector will love finding all this after a cu change, you say aluminium conductors present.
Does this mean rubber cables are present also or that you have not seen tinned copper before ?

 

[ste_miller21]

oh i never thought of tinned copper (never seen it also).

i did a pre check. ring open loops then cross connections measuring at sockets
lighting every point operating switches to prove polarity

the insulation resistance test was done at the board.

to correct this problem just means running a new leg down which can be used at minor works.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

i know i dont own it. that why i have to ask, i know it now termination, ive took the face plate off the tested between the sockets. i dont know why its broke. i only did continuity test when i found the fault

exept you didn`t did you......ask that is before undertaking ANY work...(well thats asking the person ordering the test or any other interested parties) neither of which feature here as..

1) They didn`t order the test
2) They certainly dont seem like they would have been interested in this little venture of yours either
You can be sure however....that they will surely be interested in your activities now (on what is their property)......lucky it wasn`t me you were renting off mate.......i would have had you prosicuted for tampering with something that had nothing whatsoever to do with you.....if the install was unsafe before you decided to play about with it....how do you go about proving that now.......that coupled with the fashion of your posts that dare to suggest that your a victim here....your arrogance is breathtaking.....

 

[micknew]

His initial post (another DIYer) rang alarm bells.
By giving advice in a way we are encouraging people like that.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

he claims 2330 level 2 and three......i doubt this claim...i have been wrong of course....he also claims to hold the 17th edition....so what?....still cant find his way around a ring final though can he.......the point i am making is that he used someone elses property to experiment/use as a demo....whatever he wants to call it.....whilst not having the owner/s permission (this was granted posthumously dont forget).....now issues with the cpc in the ring final but no way to prove that this situation existed before....i mean what happened to testing and pir BEFORE a board change? And that`s assuming the O/P gained the relevent go-ahaid first.......if there are issues with this property (mould, heating etc) then there are proper channels to go down....certainly not this caper we have here.....this guy`s lucky the housing assotiation in question hasn`t taken him to court (as they could rightfully do).....but if its going to cost him £500 in lost part p cash....then so be it....an expensive mistake to make but i dont see why an unourthorised/unapproved "install" should be accepted....not when others have to go by the rules........

 

[growler]

im currently working on a job where as part of the deal the builder had to employ a trainee for each trade selected by the local housing authority. The guy who is working with us is a 5o yr old ex painter. He is a really nice bloke. He has done his level 3 and 17th and is currently doing his nvq and is looking at his 2391. He is then hoping to get part p. This dudes electrical knowledge is next to zero. He doesnt know safe isolation to start with, i had to explain several times how to wire a ring main. i even had to show him how to strip twin and earth. Its scary to think he is basically nearly a qualified spark and could soon be out on his own!

 

[ste_miller21]

ok i apologise to you GLENNSPARK if ive come across rude to you. but i would like to point out to you yes i have got my 2330 and 17th. im not perfect or have the great amount of experience you have. just so you know ive rectified the problem with the CPC it was a lose connection in a junction box (thats why it gave me a reading when i did the pre check)

I dont understand your claim that i dont know my way around a ring final? did i not post that it was tested then tracked the brake between the two sockets?

and once again sorry i didnt do everything the correct way (asking housing first) but can you honesly say before you went part P you put all your jobs through LBC?

like i said before i dont mean to offend or come across funny because im not. and i apologise you you and everyone else.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

the real issue i have here is that any fleeting chances you had of having the heating and mould issues rectified in this property have probably gone out the window/door/bin together with the old dis-board here ste........however,...its quite clear that you need to understand more about your responsibilities as a competent person in regards to someone elses property.......you cant force someone to have work done that they simply dont want...wether it needs it or not....in a worst case scenario the best you can do is issue a danger notice and give forwarning of a situation that requires immediate attention.....but you must never, ever...undertake work without someones permission again mate as its a form of trespassing and if you leave it dangerous then you will be liable (regardless of how the install was before you carried out any work)....and also in answer to your last post....i can catagorically say now that i have not undertaken to do work that is notifyable without gaining permission first from the person ordering the work (or any other interested parties) and that any work my boss and i have done that has been notifyable was just that.....notifyes to the relevent LABC through the scheme provider that he chose to patronize.....

 

[Specialist]

he claims 2330 level 2 and three......i doubt this claim...i have been wrong of course....he also claims to hold the 17th edition....so what?....still cant find his way around a ring final though can he.......the point i am making is that he used someone elses property to experiment/use as a demo....whatever he wants to call it.....whilst not having the owner/s permission (this was granted posthumously dont forget).....now issues with the cpc in the ring final but no way to prove that this situation existed before....i mean what happened to testing and pir BEFORE a board change? And that`s assuming the O/P gained the relevent go-ahaid first.......if there are issues with this property (mould, heating etc) then there are proper channels to go down....certainly not this caper we have here.....this guy`s lucky the housing assotiation in question hasn`t taken him to court (as they could rightfully do).....but if its going to cost him £500 in lost part p cash....then so be it....an expensive mistake to make but i dont see why an unourthorised/unapproved "install" should be accepted....not when others have to go by the rules........

Actually Glenn he does say he did a full test beforehand & no faults showed up.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

ok...maybe i was a bit brisk with my posting but as far as altering/adding to an existing installation without the owners prior knowledge and approval......still stands that does.....

 

[Specialist]

ok...maybe i was a bit brisk with my posting but as far as altering/adding to an existing installation without the owners prior knowledge and approval......still stands that does.....

Hi Glenn: I was'nt having a pop at you mate, far from it. I agree with everything you've said on the subject, I was just pointing out that testing had apparently been carried out prior to CU change.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

no i know you wasn`t spesh....its just the foolishness of it all......as now this lot (the housing association) will use this as a means of exonerating themselves of any responsibility here as far as the heating and the damp issues are concerned....as in..."well i could report you for the heating and damp" and "well i could report YOU for the unautherised work carried out"......you can see how this one`s gonna pan out.......sad really........

 

[Specialist]

Yep I think this may well be a painful learning curve for him & they could still report him to the LABC. Seems to have been a recurring theme today, people messing with things they should'nt.

 

[Jonesy83]

this threads interesting as my landlord wants me to change the consumer unit in my home but blankly said no as im not part p and if anyting goes down like the boiler i dont want the it was alrite before you touched it

 

[trev]

this threads interesting as my landlord wants me to change the consumer unit in my home but blankly said no as im not part p and if anyting goes down like the boiler i dont want the it was alrite before you touched it

You could do it through your landlord paying the LABC fee and agree first to do a PIR. Any problems to be rectified while doing the CU change but you'll probably be opening a can of worms. It sounds like possibly more trouble than it's worth

 

[Jonesy83]

Agree with your landlord that first you'll do a PIR, anything thrown up by that to be rectified while carrying out the CU change

i aint doing it he wants it done for free he can get some bugger in to do it lol

 

[GLENNSPARK]

this threads interesting as my landlord wants me to change the consumer unit in my home but blankly said no as im not part p and if anyting goes down like the boiler i dont want the it was alrite before you touched it

but you have the permission to undertake the work....should you wish to do so.....and thats the difference........so yes i can understand your consternation at being left without heating but an opportunity exists for part p evidence/inspection......you can also leave it till the new year as they have recinded the new rules for part p that they were proposing...(although i still think it will come into play sometime in the new year though)........i just wish that the O/P had done it this way though rather than just rushing in and then gaining some kind of "post authorisation" from the owner....as this has set the tempo for any future cooperation....i.e...none......

 

[GLENNSPARK]

thing is n all......my boss n i do a lot of work for landlords, letting agents n all that lot and i can assure you now that the standards of accomodation from most of em is crap...period!....the wireing is bad, the diversity is poor and the fittings are often shot......nearly everyone we go in.......1s and 2s all over the place....there were supposedly rules (enforced) as to the standards being offered by some of these characters.......bugger all being enforced in the places we see.......

 

[Jonesy83]

well hopefully we wont be renting long i hate renting money down the drain

 

[trev]

Glenn I understand what you're saying mate but that's supposedly only in the private letting sector. The rules are usually followed by social housing providers as they're not (supposedly) doing it for profit