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Hi all , thought i would post some changes that have took place or going to take place , it may help some of you newly qualified sparks or training sparks, it probably wont interest most of you but thought i would put it up anyway as the scam providers wont keep you up to date .
[h=4]Notifying Work[/h]So for those already out there working in the industry actually it means that there is a little bit less paperwork to do. From the 6th April 2013 kitchens are no longer classed as special locations. As such minor works in a kitchen no longer need to be notified to building control or your Part P scheme. This is great news for kitchen fitters and the like, however the new Part P regs do stipulate that anyone installing electrics needs to be competent to do so and any installation should comply with the latest 17th edition regulations whether it is notifiable or not. If unsafe work is found then legal action can be taken.
Also from the 6th there will be a register of third party electricians who are able to sign off the work of others. Currently this role is only fulfilled by building control, however soon they will have competition from private electricians who will be able to inspect and test third party installations. It looks as if this register of third party electricians is a little way off just now. The industry is yet to confirm exactly who will be able to register on this. Anyone who has completed a 2391, 2395 or Qualified Supervisor course are most likely to get onto the register but at present this “third party register” is still to be finalised.
[h=4]Registering on A Competent Person Scheme[/h]Currently you must have passed your 17th edition in order to register on a competent persons scheme. You must also be able to pass the assessments, which means you should be able to re-wire a house, be competent in inspection and testing as well as have a good grasp of the Part P building regs. However officially from the 6th April you will need to have also passed a qualified supervisors course before you can register. At present it appears that until these courses are more widely available in the UK some scheme providers will still register you under the current requirements. We don’t know how long this will continue so if you are looking to register the advice is speak with a scheme provider first so you know for sure you will get onto the scheme. We highlighted recently that ELECSA have already said they expect to register people under the current requirements for the foreseeable future. However that is a little vague, it does suggest at least for the next few months you should be ok, but don’t hang about if you do want to get registered.
 
"This is great news for kitchen fitters and the like", - This normally means bad news for us. " kitchens are no longer classed as special locations". - They never were "however the new Part P regs do stipulate that anyone installing electrics needs to be competent to do so" - New regs state this? The old ones didn't? "If unsafe work is found then legal action can be taken". - It won't be.....Need I continue with the critique? I appreciate that it was well intentioned mate but it's bull, not your bull I know but bull none the less.
 
it's just a licence for incompetents to continue doing what they already do. putting peoples' lives at risk with little or no comeback.
 
"This is great news for kitchen fitters and the like", - This normally means bad news for us. " kitchens are no longer classed as special locations". - They never were "however the new Part P regs do stipulate that anyone installing electrics needs to be competent to do so" - New regs state this? The old ones didn't? "If unsafe work is found then legal action can be taken". - It won't be.....Need I continue with the critique? I appreciate that it was well intentioned mate but it's bull, not your bull I know but bull none the less.

I agree with you Trev completely , its great for non sparks but tought it may be of interest to new or up and coming sparks as there are always questions on here for whats needed to register ect ,
 
Yeah it's great for non sparks, it allows them to get away with fleecing the public and gives them to get the idea that the trade is easy and anyone can do it :)
 
more and more un safe works being done by unqualified persons , while us professionals still pay our scheme fees, up skilling fees and waiting for the call to rectify some kitchen fitters bodge ,
 
Was i imagining that bathrooms also fall out of the scope similar to kitchens now?

Thinking about it, its EUFH systems that no longer require notification.
 
I really can't understand what's going on here. Surely the powers that be should be tightening up on what can & can't be done & by whom. I can't comment on the commercial & industrial side of things but when it comes to domestic electrics things really are in dis-array.
 
hi i am just goin to join ELECSA as a part P scheme but bit scare about the assessment dont know how hard its gonna be , coz i all i remember is the basic theory bit week on theory side but practically i am ok if you know what kind of information he will ask plz inform me
 
hi i am just goin to join ELECSA as a part P scheme but bit scare about the assessment dont know how hard its gonna be , coz i all i remember is the basic theory bit week on theory side but practically i am ok if you know what kind of information he will ask plz inform me
Hey, search for "Elecsa" above and read. There is plenty on here about assessments!
 
Ali there are more threads on this subject than you can shake a stick at on here. try searching elecsa assessment and I guarantee you'll get all the info you need. Failing that all the info is available on their website and, I'd hazard a guess, in the welcome pack they sent you.
 
Ali - can you spell your own name and do up your shoe laces? If so, you'll pass.
 

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