Competent person and EICR

[Octopus]

So how would they Police this?

Sounds like another scheme to prop up their ailing finances..........

 

[Anthony S]

Scams will just run in house training/qualifications with a 100% pass rate if you chuck £500 at them
and the certificate won't be worth the paper it is printed on. Just another way to fill up the board of directors of each scams pension pot. Any way wouldn't affect me as I have my 2391

More and more job adverts are asking for the 2391 along with other papers and the JIB Gold Card etc etc.

I think companies are getting a sick and tired of the wonder Sparks applying for jobs. Another reason why they let Agencies do the donkey work and weed out the Rubbish lol

 

[TaffyDuck]

Scams will just run in house training/qualifications with a 100% pass rate if you chuck £500 at them
and the certificate won't be worth the paper it is printed on. Just another way to fill up the board of directors of each scams pension pot. Any way wouldn't affect me as I have my 2391

Well according to him the schemes wont be running it and no other assessment will be needed. Just concrete proof that you`re competent to complete the EICR.

It just seemed odd that an assessor, and a very knowlegeable one at that, who I`ve known for 5 or 6 years now would just make it up. It doesn`t make sense for him to do that.

 

[Guest125]

More and more job adverts are asking for the 2391 along with other papers and the JIB Gold Card etc etc.

I think companies are getting a sick and tired of the wonder Sparks applying for jobs. Another reason why they let Agencies do the donkey work and weed out the Rubbish lol

Well this is a good thing then. Only those without 2391 would be against this surely. If it is true that is.

 

[TaffyDuck]

***Update***

Just talked to the tech helpdesk and the IET.

This is happening towards the end of this year, possibly early next year. It is being driven by IET and insurance companies.

This is due apparently to the falling standards of EICRs that insurance companies are being sent.

No assessment will be required however you will need to have Professional Indemnity insurance to complete EICRs and in order to get this PI insurance you will need to produce a copy of 2391 to the Insurance companies, or the new version of it. 2392 will NOT be accepted apparently.
New EICR forms will "very probably contain a section where you will need to insert your PI insurance details"

It is what was described to me as "an extension of the change in the new regs from competent person to electrically competent person" and will therefore not need a change to the 2015 ammendment of 17th Edition.

How they police it is another matter

 

[Farmelectrics]

jib card or no electrical work would be agood starting point for me

 

[Anthony S]

jib card or no electrical work would be agood starting point for me

Get in there lol

 

[Guest125]

***Update***

Just talked to the tech helpdesk and the IET.

This is happening towards the end of this year, possibly early next year. It is being driven by IET and insurance companies.

This is due apparently to the falling standards of EICRs that insurance companies are being sent.

No assessment will be required however you will need to have Professional Indemnity insurance to complete EICRs and in order to get this PI insurance you will need to produce a copy of 2391 to the Insurance companies, or the new version of it. 2392 will NOT be accepted apparently.
New EICR forms will "very probably contain a section where you will need to insert your PI insurance details"

It is what was described to me as "an extension of the change in the new regs from competent person to electrically competent person" and will therefore not need a change to the 2015 ammendment of 17th Edition.

How they police it is another matter

I read this with a mixture of feelings.

Great news that finally qualifications are being recognised. Good knows what the DI will do?

PI insurance is expensive and will be difficult for smaller companies surely.

Personally I cannot see this happening.

 

[TaffyDuck]

I read this with a mixture of feelings.

Great news that finally qualifications are being recognised. Good knows what the DI will do?

PI insurance is expensive and will be difficult for smaller companies surely.

Personally I cannot see this happening.

Maybe you`re right. Who knows. My PI insurance that I have for Inspection and Testing and offers cover for £10m costs about £200 a year with Groupon

 

[Guest125]

Maybe you`re right. Who knows. My PI insurance that I have for Inspection and Testing and offers cover for £10m costs about £200 a year with Groupon

Why would you currently need PI insurance for that? Pi insurance is for design or advice that may be incorrect.

 

[spark 68]

Why would you currently need PI insurance for that? Pi insurance is for design or advice that may be incorrect.

Nope, you need it for providing professional advice/reports etc. aka EICRs

 

[Anthony S]

Why would you currently need PI insurance for that? Pi insurance is for design or advice that may be incorrect.

Because your giving an opinion, I've had it for years.

 

[Guest125]

Because your giving an opinion, I've had it for years.

Maybe splitting hairs but I would not call an EICR my opinion. It is a report on the condition. Definitely not my opinion.

 

[ruston]

I have been knocked back by two insurance companies recently who will ONLY accept NICIEC approved contractors. No amount of talking to them made any difference, one of them would not accept new business unless one(from nic) was already current. To be fair this needs changing.

As regards only accepting 2391 , this is a recipe for disaster too, as a lot of the schemes run their equivalent exams , I believe the EAL do too. What is going to happen when the 2391 holders are all gone lol? Surely the must accept the new equivalent .

 

[Guest125]

I can understand if your were designing emergency lighting or fire alarm installation PI insurance would be essential. But for testing surely PL is what is required?

 

[Anthony S]

Maybe splitting hairs but I would not call an EICR my opinion. It is a report on the condition. Definitely not my opinion.

Opinion = Assessment

 

[spark 68]

I can understand if your were designing emergency lighting or fire alarm installation PI insurance would be essential. But for testing surely PL is what is required?

For testing and EICs PL yes, for providing written reports/advice then PI is required

 

[Guest125]

For testing and EICs PL yes, for providing written reports/advice then PI is required

Agreed. Not required for testing as I said.

 

[baldsparkies]

jib card or no electrical work would be agood starting point for me

A lot of sparkies complain about how difficult it is to get a JIB card.
Surely that's the point though.
If you have to meet certain criteria and no exceptions you will help sort competence within the trade out.
Its not foolproof but its going in the right direction imho and that includes the 2391 cus it all helps to stop Electrical Trainee getting on the band wagon.
I have even noticed that the facilities managers in a small number of large companies are insisting on seeing operatives JIB gold cards before being let loose on there installations.
And that's regardless of the big shiny van all labelled up with its nice company logo and NICEIC sticker on the side.
Good for them I say.

 

[spark 68]

Agreed. Not required for testing as I said.

But for providing EICRs you do need PI, also a lot of DIs are not insured for three phase which I will bet they are not aware of