EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to.

[paulwalldall]

Hi. Niece had an inspection prior to letting out her house and recieved a number of C2 decisions on earthing. such as "earth cable to TN-S not large enough." Wants to change to 16mm. no bonding to inlet services at all. (fair enough on this one). Question is , Ive only qualified after 3yr course at college (i,m 45 yrs old) got 2394 , inspection testing, got multitester and tools. If i do the changes so it "complies with current regs" would i have to be registered with local authority or niceic or can the chap come back , re-test and tick the boxes. Quick answer appreciated as going out very soon.

 

[telectrix]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

nothing to stop you doing the remedials, then do her a EICR with no C2's, or complete a EIC for the remedials and reference to the existing EICR.

 

[paulwalldall]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

hoping to see that. good idea to ref old eicr. thanks

 

[alanl]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

Why is the 16mm earthing conductor required?
Has the Inspector done an adiabatic to confirm that 16mm is required?
Have a read of 543.1.4, do a PFC and PEFC, then work it out, and I'd bet a 16mm earthing conductor will not be necessary.

You will need to put in some bonding for gas/water/other services.

 

[dave274]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

don't be messing about with the clamp for the main earth, if it does turn out that it needs replacing then phone the dno and they'll upgrade it.

 

[D Skelton]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

I can almost guarantee that the main earth doesn't need upgrading. The only way this would be so is if the OP had either an extremely high PFC or an extremely low PFC. Neither case is likely.

 

[tony mc]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

Any chance of a pic I bet its from the MET to the CU that he has given the code 2 and post 4 has answered that issue.

Out of interest did he refer to any regulation and on the Condition Report Inspection Schedule which item number did he highlight and put C2 against ?

 

[davesparks]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

I'm concerned about the title of the thread, how exactly was the report refused for a C2?

 

[guest119]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

I can almost guarantee that the main earth doesn't need upgrading. The only way this would be so is if the OP had either an extremely high PFC or an extremely low PFC. Neither case is likely.

PEFC

Boydy

 

[D Skelton]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

PEFC

Boydy

Alright Mr anally retentive!

 

[telectrix]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

he's only miffed because he wasn't included in HHD's hall of fame.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

he's only miffed because he wasn't included in HHD's hall of fame.

He was!!

 

[telectrix]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

must have missed that, laffing so much, my bad.

 

[paulwalldall]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

Thanks for replies. having seen the house today as i live 60 miles away. i can confirm the earth requiring upgrading is indeed from the incoming supply to earth terminal in cu box. it looks only 6mm at the mo so will do sums to see if acceptable but not sure of breaker types or ze from here. as for bonding to gas/water, checked where supplies are and gas is out front of house and water in the back in kitchen cupboard, cu in dead center of house under stairs. just curious but can i bond to gas pipe as it enters rear of house near to water supply as its a lot easier.(sounds a bit lazy). its only feed is into kitchen then rear of house for boiler.

 

[tony mc]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

The info you need should all be contained in the EICR to work out the adiabatic !

 

[telectrix]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

if the gas pipe is external and enters the house at the rear, you bond at the rear, ideally within 2 ft. of the point of entry. if close to water stop tap, then a single cable can be utilised.

 

[paulwalldall]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

thanks but just had a flashback to looking at gas box out front and thinking how short the pipe was before it entered the house 'at the front.' Guess ill be looking at least disruptive route to both front and back of house then, new tiles downstairs, new carpets upstairs though.

 

[davesparks]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

So does it enter the installation at the front or the back?

 

[paulwalldall]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

front for gas. back for water.. regarding refused for C2, was refused for a C1, boken light fitting but all C2 and C3 were presented as work to be done on summary from agents to my niece. seems plenty of drilling in order to finish bonding.

 

[alanl]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

Any C2 defects will result in an 'unsatisfactory' report.
C3's are advisory, and not dangerous/potentially dangerous, so on one report you could have 100+ C3 advisories and be 'satisfactory', but on another report, one C2, which would make be 'unsatisfactory'.

 

[trev]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

front for gas. back for water.. regarding refused for C2, was refused for a C1, boken light fitting but all C2 and C3 were presented as work to be done on summary from agents to my niece. seems plenty of drilling in order to finish bonding.

How was the report refused?

 

[paulwalldall]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

probably my language. it had a C1 for a broken batten fitting in the coal house which ive replaced. a number of C2 relating to earthing sizes and main bonding to services were all C2. C1 resulted in 'refusal' or probably best described as unsafe needs immediate attention. not refusing to do report wheras C2 require action as potentially unsafe.

 

[paulwalldall]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

as stated earlier im not a working electrician but its the first of these reports ive seen. after having a better look round the house ive found a screw missing from faceplate of socket in kitchen, cooker socket behind cooker with lead coiled up under cooker, and a wooden back box behind light switch in bedroom with long woodscrews holding faceplate onto wall screwed past wires. all these semed worthy of mention on report or would they not matter. eg, doesnt he have to remove covers and look inside. ?

 

[trev]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

So the report described the installation as in an unsatisfactory condition?

 

[trev]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

as stated earlier im not a working electrician but its the first of these reports ive seen. after having a better look round the house ive found a screw missing from faceplate of socket in kitchen, cooker socket behind cooker with lead coiled up under cooker, and a wooden back box behind light switch in bedroom with long woodscrews holding faceplate onto wall screwed past wires. all these semed worthy of mention on report or would they not matter. eg, doesnt he have to remove covers and look inside. ?

You start one of these things with a visual inspection, a percentage of accessories are looked at very closely and if they are satisfactory then that's it for that stage. If not then you add to the percentage, I start with 20% if everything's ok then I move on, if not I go to 30% and so on.

So yes, the inspector does have to remove covers.

 

[paulwalldall]

Re: EICR report refused for C2 condition of earthing. How to rectify if i even ned to

yes. have remedied the C1 improved bathroom bonding. will look at installing bonding to services in coming weeks. but yes unsatisfactory. tho most of c2 could challenge as install is quite old and may have complied at time. builders she bought house off gave her a cert of compliance but i do agree that the items are worth improvement.