How many eicr in a day

[DPG]

Wow £150 per property... I charge £40:00 per property and still lose some at that price..and yes 2 per day is plenty. In addition i worked for a large testing organisation based on the South East some years ago and at the time I left they were expecting 50 circuits per day tested.

How much? Is that a typo? Surely can't be charging £40 to travel to site, inspect, test, fill out report, etc. for that?

 

[magnoliafan89]

Surely this thread has been done to death now and is veering off topic ??

 

[DPG]

Surely this thread has been done to death now and is veering off topic ??

I'm still interested to know more about the £40 EICRs.

 

[UNG]

I'm still interested to know more about the £40 EICRs.

I charge £40:00 per property and still lose some at that price.

I'd like to know if he is losing some because he is so cheap as I can't see anybody undercutting him

 

[Brian Taylor]

£40 is totally unrealistic for an EICR and I would question what you are managing to test and inspect in the hour or so you are on site as well as write up the cert if your losing some at that price then what are people expecting
How on earth can anyone hit 500 tested circuits per day, that is about 9.6 minutes per circuit on an 8 hour day non stop is this just a drive by of every circuit as you haven't got time for anything else

Hi just to answer your question it takes me about 3 hours to do a test ..the certs i write up in the evening..a manage 2 tests per day . I'm guessing your comment about being paid to travel to site is a joke..who ever gets paid to travel to The job these days ?

 

[Jim_e_Jib]

Hi just to answer your question it takes me about 3 hours to do a test ..the certs i write up in the evening..a manage 2 tests per day . I'm guessing your comment about being paid to travel to site is a joke..who ever gets paid to travel to The job these days ?

Surely that makes your hourly rate about £10 before tax and expenses are taken in to account. That can't be sustainable?

 

[Brian Taylor]

£40 is totally unrealistic for an EICR and I would question what you are managing to test and inspect in the hour or so you are on site as well as write up the cert if your losing some at that price then what are people expecting
How on earth can anyone hit 500 tested circuits per day, that is about 9.6 minutes per circuit on an 8 hour day non stop is this just a drive by of every circuit as you haven't got time for anything else

In answer to your question the tests were carried out and the results entered into a computer package, at predetermined intervals the details were sent to the office for checking..if it was seen that you were falling behind the expected circuit test rate a gee up telephone call was received suggesting you got your finger out. In that way the customers received their report within a few hours of it being finished.
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Surely that makes your hourly rate about £10 before tax and expenses are taken in to account. That can't be sustainable?

well this is the going rate here i guess ..it seems to be fairly standard here

 

[123]

In answer to your question the tests were carried out and the results entered into a computer package, at predetermined intervals the details were sent to the office for checking..if it was seen that you were falling behind the expected circuit test rate a gee up telephone call was received suggesting you got your finger out. In that way the customers received their report within a few hours of it being finished.
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well this is the going rate here i guess ..it seems to be fairly standard here

I assume at £40 an EICR that is what you, as an employee, are getting?
The company you work for would be charging significantly more.

 

[GBDamo]

Been asked to remove all electrics on a wall that is in the process of collapsing.

All the four DBs look pretty good.

So starts on one socket circuit and found it to be a lollipop off an abandoned cooker switch.

Second circuit had two 'twist n tape' loop extensions plastered into old back boxes.

Phoned boss, need to EICR this before we do anything else, it's a mess.

He asked "How long"

Three days me and lad.

He then Informs customer and the customer agreed.

Happy days, the lad may actually get to learn something.

Reading all these stories of four in a day I feel slightly ashamed but we'll make it last

 

[Brian Taylor]

I assume at £40 an EICR that is what you, as an employee, are getting?
The company you work for would be charging significantly more.

Yes that's correct we were all self employed and responsible for our own transport to and from the job and our own test instruments and insurance ..as previously stated no travelling time was paid but it was better than nothing ...some time ago I remember a thread on this site about what should be charged as an hourly rate and I was astounded at the rates that some people claimed they charged..£30 per hour seemed to be common....I fail to see how anyone gets work at that rate unless you are highly specialised and working in a very wealthy sector of the economy.

 

[Baddegg]

Yes that's correct we were all self employed and responsible for our own transport to and from the job and our own test instruments and insurance ..as previously stated no travelling time was paid but it was better than nothing ...some time ago I remember a thread on this site about what should be charged as an hourly rate and I was astounded at the rates that some people claimed they charged..£30 per hour seemed to be common....I fail to see how anyone gets work at that rate unless you are highly specialised and working in a very wealthy sector of the economy.

Mate I charge £30 a circuit and I suspect this is what the people you are sub contracting to are charging if not more, you cannot seriously tell me you are putting your signature to a legal document for £80 a day on the outskirts of London??....you’d make more money stacking shelves man!

 

[Brian Taylor]

Mate I charge £30 a circuit and I suspect this is what the people you are sub contracting to are charging if not more, you cannot seriously tell me you are putting your signature to a legal document for £80 a day on the outskirts of London??....you’d make more money stacking shelves man!

At £30 a circuit would surely have you earning more than doctor!!!! ....I have to be sensible in what I charge..I've never been able to charge anything like the sums you suggest.....your must work in a very wealthy area lol..are your clients all millionaires?

 

[Baddegg]

At £30 a circuit would surely have you earning more than doctor!!!! ....I have to be sensible in what I charge..I've never been able to charge anything like the sums you suggest.....your must work in a very wealthy area lol..are your clients all millionaires?

I’ll play along but for the record I think this is a wind up....you live just outside one of the most heavily populated and wealthy cities on the planet and you can’t earn more than £80 a day with a recognised trade?....you either are joking or completely undervalue your skills and the years put into learning them, you say you are self employed so I’m assuming own van,fuel,tools,insurance (liability and indemnity) Testers and calibration etc etc, You obviously work within the domestic market so are probably with a scheme....there is no way even if you worked seven days a week that your business is a viable prospect mate you are not even making wages let alone any profit....what are your plans if your van breaks down or your testers break??

 

[magnoliafan89]

Its easy to believe Brian is winding us up but i know of a company called CLC electrical who employ sparks and pay them about £40 a test. Needless to say the quality of these tests is utter cow dung! And the electricians themselves are absolutely useless.
I fact I may start a thread on their work.

Brian seriously though with what they're paying you go self employed you'd get paid a lot more. I live in a rural farming town and the rate here is 30 to 40 an hour and those guys aren't short of work.

 

[Brian Taylor]

I’ll play along but for the record I think this is a wind up....you live just outside one of the most heavily populated and wealthy cities on the planet and you can’t earn more than £80 a day with a recognised trade?....you either are joking or completely undervalue your skills and the years put into learning them, you say you are self employed so I’m assuming own van,fuel,tools,insurance (liability and indemnity) Testers and calibration etc etc, You obviously work within the domestic market so are probably with a scheme....there is no way even if you worked seven days a week that your business is a viable prospect mate you are not even making wages let alone any profit....what are your plans if your van breaks down or your testers break??

Well £80 is day is £400 a week or 1600 a month which is a good deal better than some jobs i see advertised...and seems reasonable for electrical work .
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Its easy to believe Brian is winding us up but i know of a company called CLC electrical who employ sparks and pay them about £40 a test. Needless to say the quality of these tests is utter cow dung! And the electricians themselves are absolutely useless.
I fact I may start a thread on their work.

Brian seriously though with what they're paying you go self employed you'd get paid a lot more. I live in a rural farming town and the rate here is 30 to 40 an hour and those guys aren't short of work.

hi yes I am self employed it seems that no one will employ anyone you if your not

 

[magnoliafan89]

Well £80 is day is £400 a week or 1600 a month which is a good deal better than some jobs i see advertised...and seems reasonable for electrical work .

I'm not self employed and work for a company and take home 2k on a flat week. I get a company van, power tools provided even hand tools if I want them, 30 days holiday, ample overtime, sick pay, healthcare plan, an amazing pension, flexitime if needs be, the whole nine yards....and in my neck of the woods we are seen as not that desirable pay wise!!!

 

[Baddegg]

Well £80 is day is £400 a week or 1600 a month which is a good deal better than some jobs i see advertised...and seems reasonable for electrical work .
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hi yes I am self employed it seems that no one will employ anyone you if your not

No it’s not reasonable at all for electrical work mate, not even if you were on the cards, I pay my lowest paid labourer £400 a week....have some faith in your skills and abilities the worst that can happen is you earn £400 for probably half the amount of work...

 

[magnoliafan89]

Well £80 is day is £400 a week or 1600 a month which is a good deal better than some jobs i see advertised...and seems reasonable for electrical work .
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hi yes I am self employed it seems that no one will employ anyone you if your not

Why does someone need to employ you if you're self employed??

 

[Baddegg]

I'm not self employed and work for a company and take home 2k on a flat week. I get a company van, power tools provided even hand tools if I want them, 30 days holiday, ample overtime, sick pay, healthcare plan, an amazing pension, flexitime if needs be, the whole nine yards....and in my neck of the woods we are seen as not that desirable pay wise!!!

£2k a week? Take home?....now I regularly swear I’ll never go cards in ever again and I’ve had some good jobs......where is Hereford I’m on me way...?

 

[magnoliafan89]

£2k a week? Take home?....now I regularly swear I’ll never go cards in ever again and I’ve had some good jobs......where is Hereford I’m on me way...?

my bad that was meant to be a month ?? bloody wish it were a week!!

 

[Phil L]

Haha 2k a week, Hereford was about to get an influx of sparks moving to the area

 

[Brian Taylor]

Why does someone need to employ you if you're self employed??

I work subcontract for the company ..we are all self employed

 

[Baddegg]

Haha 2k a week, Hereford was about to get an influx of sparks moving to the area

I was just packing me stuff in me van and telling the wife see ya soon love I’ll write ya!.....

 

[Brian Taylor]

Why does someone need to employ you if you're self employed??

I work subcontract for the company ..we are all self employed i must admit it's not been good since March with the current situation as they hadn't had any work for me since the lockdown which has prompted me to seek other work without too much success..hence my surprise at the hourly rates quoted here.

 

[Baddegg]

Its easy to believe Brian is winding us up but i know of a company called CLC electrical who employ sparks and pay them about £40 a test. Needless to say the quality of these tests is utter cow dung! And the electricians themselves are absolutely useless.
I fact I may start a thread on their work.

Brian seriously though with what they're paying you go self employed you'd get paid a lot more. I live in a rural farming town and the rate here is 30 to 40 an hour and those guys aren't short of work.

Please start that thread....you might want to join the arms though mate don’t start it in the public section for gods sake ?

 

[magnoliafan89]

I work subcontract for the company ..we are all self employed i must admit it's not been good since March with the current situation as they hadn't had any work for me since the lockdown which has prompted me to seek other work without too much success..hence my surprise at the hourly rates quoted here.

Sod that! That company are swindling you.

 

[Mike Johnson]

I work subcontract for the company ..we are all self employed

Do you actually have a contract/letter of intent or anything that states your contract terms?

I retired over ten years ago, and at that time I was charging my clients £50.00/hour and only worked enough days to pay the bills and beer, perhaps it was all different then and times have made it harder, but I doubt it.

 

[Brian Taylor]

Do you actually have a contract/letter of intent or anything that states your contract terms?

I retired over ten years ago, and at that time I was charging my clients £50.00/hour and only worked enough days to pay the bills and beer, perhaps it was all different then and times have made it harder, but I doubt it.

Hi no contract or letter of intent.....I'm self employed working on an as required basis so there is no requirement for the outfit i do the work for to provide such things

 

[Mike Johnson]

So you have no agreement on how much you get paid or when?

 

[Dartlec]

I have several landlords as clients who have only just discovered the joys of EICRs so I've been doing several lately, and you really cannot predict how long one will take before you start. I've had studio apartments take all day and houses take 3 hours.

Some things that definitely make an EICR take longer:

1) tenant in residence (even worse if actually present and bonus points for kids) - means you can't leave wires hanging out between testing even if you know they are dead, or turn off and yank every cable out before you start, but have to work circuit by circuit - only bonus is that you might get a cuppa when the kitchen circuit goes back on!

2) Storage heaters/Economy 7 or 10 - Adds extra circuits and complications. In theory they are just single spurs, but there might be 5 extra circuits. I've just had a 10yo flat with 3 storage heaters and top up immersion on some sort of ring circuit with a central wall mounted thermostat to control - no longer works of course and the thermostat is long obselete. Not to mention it takes time to work out which circuit does which heater, and then with some heaters which is the off peak and which is on peak - because they are never labelled!

3) Idiot landlords who get you to do the EICR at the last minute after the place has been decorated, so that every light switch and pendant is painted to the wall/ceiling

4) "ghost" circuits - that either aren't labelled or supplied an immersion that is no longer there - but are still connected, though with no obvious load on testing. You either have to FI them, or disconnect them and hope they aren't doing something crucial.

5) Flats where the supply fuse is in a cupboard 3 floors down, which needs a key, and then the fuses aren't labelled properly anyway.

6) The absolute worst are old wiring ones where things have been 'added' by ambitious DIYers (Kitchens are the best - with split rings or jbs behind plinths ). And the easiest are probably the oldest - 4 or 6 wylex rewireable fuses are so much easier than a 90s 1 RCD on everything for a quick Zs on lights.

The most sensible pricing systems I've seen for EICRs is a fixed base cost, then a fixed amount per circuit - it does at least take into account the difference between 4 and 14 circuits, though harder to explain. Fortunately most of my clients understand when I say it will vary depending on how long it takes.

I did have a landlord expecting me to do 7 flats (all in one building at least) in a day and wasn't impressed when I quoted 3-4 hours per flat and 100-140 per certificate...

 

[Brian Taylor]

So you have no agreement on how much you get paid or when?

Well it's just the way the industry is I think..the client tells me to go to a house and carry out a test,..I do the test..send it to them and issue an invoice, and in the fullness of time...usually 60 days i get paid . As a matter of interest i was reading a thread on this site from a guy in West Wales who was more or less in the same situation as me ...I think he was getting jobs at £10.00 per hour. So it's not just this area that have this level of hourly rate. Can I please ask you guys what level of qualifications you have as these might be seen as advanced and thus warrant the pay difference..maybe mine are not particularly well thought of now

 

[David Prosser]

I'm not self employed and work for a company and take home 2k on a flat week. I get a company van, power tools provided even hand tools if I want them, 30 days holiday, ample overtime, sick pay, healthcare plan, an amazing pension, flexitime if needs be, the whole nine yards....and in my neck of the woods we are seen as not that desirable pay wise!!!

Well it's just the way the industry is I think..the client tells me to go to a house and carry out a test,..I do the test..send it to them and issue an invoice, and in the fullness of time...usually 60 days i get paid . As a matter of interest i was reading a thread on this site from a guy in West Wales who was more or less in the same situation as me ...I think he was getting jobs at £10.00 per hour. So it's not just this area that have this level of hourly rate. Can I please ask you guys what level of qualifications you have as these might be seen as advanced and thus warrant the pay difference..maybe mine are not particularly well thought of now

I'm a bit confused/concerned here, are you saying you get paid £40 for an EICR as a fully qualified electrician? If so that's mad, at the very least you need to value yourself higher. I have no idea how you can afford to work to that level as others have said Tesco pay more.

 

[Baddegg]

60 days for £40!....? no way, what quals do you have? So not only do you have to take ya tools fuel van scheme insurances testers and calibration out of that poultry amount you are probably accruing overdraft charges as well.....if you were over drawn for the 60 days you’d have nearly lost the £40 in charges so have worked at a loss!

 

[Brian Taylor]

I'm a bit confused/concerned here, are you saying you get paid £40 for an EICR as a fully qualified electrician? If so that's mad, at the very least you need to value yourself higher. I have no idea how you can afford to work to that level as others have said Tesco pay more.

Well maybe but at the end of the day it's the customers who determine his much they will pay....and I have no idea how much Tescos pay ..the absolute minimum i guess

 

[Baddegg]

Well maybe but at the end of the day it's the customers who determine his much they will pay....and I have no idea how much Tescos pay ..the absolute minimum i guess

I’m sure my customers would like to pay £40, i wouldn’t be doing it for that so good luck to em....I’m also sure your customers are paying a lot more than £40, you are either insane or are trying to justify paying peanuts to somebody!

 

[123]

Well it's just the way the industry is I think..the client tells me to go to a house and carry out a test,..I do the test..send it to them and issue an invoice, and in the fullness of time...usually 60 days i get paid . As a matter of interest i was reading a thread on this site from a guy in West Wales who was more or less in the same situation as me ...I think he was getting jobs at £10.00 per hour. So it's not just this area that have this level of hourly rate. Can I please ask you guys what level of qualifications you have as these might be seen as advanced and thus warrant the pay difference..maybe mine are not particularly well thought of now

£10 an hour self employed with own van and test kit...wise up. I pay my helper more and he doesn't own as much as a screwdriver, and Northern Ireland is one of the poorest paying areas of the UK. I think 20 years ago when I became time served spark I was cards in and on more money. Maybe even was as an apprentice.

 

[Brian Taylor]

Well maybe but at the end of the day it's the customers

60 days for £40!....? no way, this is definitely a windup or trolling what quals do you have? So not only do you have to take ya tools fuel van scheme insurances testers and calibration out of that poultry amount you are probably accruing overdraft charges as well.....

who determine his much they will pay....and I have no idea how much Tescos pay ..the absolute minimum i guess

Well it might be poultry to some but it's a wage to others and as for qualifications i have what use to be called the A certificate and the test and inspection very ..be interested in knowing what others have

 

[Baddegg]

Well it might be poultry to some but it's a wage to others and as for qualifications i have what use to be called the A certificate and the test and inspection very ..be interested in knowing what others have

It’s not a wage....it’s not even minimum wage so on that context itS poultry....all quals are on display in the profiles of you opt to do so....Qualifications will have no relevance in how you as a sole trader business charge....you must do other work being self employed? What do you charge for these?

 

[David Prosser]

Well maybe but at the end of the day it's the customers who determine his much they will pay....and I have no idea how much Tescos pay ..the absolute minimum i guess

No you determine how much they pay. If you’re Happy doing the job for £40 and consider you are producing a professional insurance backed certification then I would suggest you make yourself familiar WithTesco et al. You would be better of and much less vulnerable.

 

[Brian Taylor]

I’m sure my customers would like to pay £40, i wouldn’t be doing it for that so good luck to em....I’m also sure your customers are paying a lot more than £40, you are either insane or are trying to justify paying peanuts to somebody!

Well I don't think I'm insane and as I work in my own i have nobody to pay anything to

 

[123]

Well maybe but at the end of the day it's the customers who determine his much they will pay....and I have no idea how much Tescos pay ..the absolute minimum i guess

Tesco's pay £9 an hour (according to google). That's for an employee, so you get holiday pay, pension, sick pay.

Self employed doing EICR's for £10 an hour with own van, test kit, and 60 day payment terms, I can't see it somehow. I've heard of the race to bottom...well done, you deffo have won that.

 

[JBW175]

£40??? I just can’t get my head round it all. It’s just not sustainable on that sort of money...

 

[123]

Well I don't think I'm insane and as I work in my own i have nobody to pay anything to

HMRC, Test software, Van Upkeep & MOT, Diesel, Tester Calibration, Upkeep of tools & equipment, Insurances, Pension...just to start the list off. And that's before any living costs are taken into account, you are insane.

 

[Baddegg]

HMRC, Test software, Van Upkeep & MOT, Diesel, Tester Calibration, Upkeep of tools & equipment, Insurances, Pension...just to start the list off. And that's before any living costs are taken into account, you are insane.

He would literally be better off unemployed and claiming benefits....

 

[davesparks]

Well £80 is day is £400 a week or 1600 a month which is a good deal better than some jobs i see advertised...and seems reasonable for electrical work .

The JIB minimum rate for an electrician is currently £14.99/hour, even a 3rd year apprentice gets more than you according to the JIB minimum rate!

 

[Brian Taylor]

It’s not a wage....it’s not even minimum wage so on that context itS poultry....all quals are on display in the profiles of you opt to do so....Qualifications will have no relevance in how you as a sole trader business charge....you must do other work being self employed? What do you charge for these?

yes I do other works ,mainly small works such as replacing damaged sockets,switches etc..I try to be fair with people it's no good fleecing a customer as work soon gets around that youre a rip off merchant and you lose work which is exactly what would happen if I tried to charge some of the rates in this site. There has been one on here who claims to have charged £50 per hour ..this is more than an accountant and I really do think that an accountant or similar job is far higher in the social scale. I think that there has to be a sense of proportion here, we as box standard electricians are lower middle on the qualification scale, above let us say a semi skilled worker but not in the same level as a white collar professional and we must price yourself accordingly or we risk losing our work to other trades.....Have you seen how many plumbers, gas fitters and kitchen fitters now have NICEIC membership and carrying out electrical work

 

[davesparks]

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yes I do other works ,mainly small works such as replacing damaged sockets,switches etc..I try to be fair with people it's no good fleecing a customer as work soon gets around that youre a rip off merchant and you lose work which is exactly what would happen if I tried to charge some of the rates in this site. There has been one on here who claims to have charged £50 per hour ..this is more than an accountant and I really do think that an accountant or similar job is far higher in the social scale. I think that there has to be a sense of proportion here, we as box standard electricians are lower middle on the qualification scale, above let us say a semi skilled worker but not in the same level as a white collar professional and we must price yourself accordingly or we risk losing our work to other trades.....Have you seen how many plumbers, gas fitters and kitchen fitters now have NICEIC membership and carrying out electrical work

Oh yes, of course, you must keep yourself within your correct place on the social scale!

How dare anyone possibly consider trying to charge a fair price for their work, they must only ever price according to rules set down by the upper classes for those in the 'lower middle of the qualification scale'

 

[123]

yes I do other works ,mainly small works such as replacing damaged sockets,switches etc..I try to be fair with people it's no good fleecing a customer as work soon gets around that youre a rip off merchant and you lose work which is exactly what would happen if I tried to charge some of the rates in this site. There has been one on here who claims to have charged £50 per hour ..this is more than an accountant and I really do think that an accountant or similar job is far higher in the social scale. I think that there has to be a sense of proportion here, we as box standard electricians are lower middle on the qualification scale, above let us say a semi skilled worker but not in the same level as a white collar professional and we must price yourself accordingly or we risk losing our work to other trades.....Have you seen how many plumbers, gas fitters and kitchen fitters now have NICEIC membership and carrying out electrical work

Effectively you charge/earn less than a Tesco employee. Be as fair as you like, if you where in my area and any good I'd bring you on board, pay you a bit more, and sub as much as I could out to you. I won't get be getting out of bed for £80 a day.

Plumbers, Gas fitters, Kitchen fitters may be NICEIC and doing electrical works...but not at £10 an hour.

 

[Brian Taylor]

The JIB minimum rate for an electrician is currently £14.99/hour, even a 3rd year apprentice gets more than you according to the JIB minimum rate!

Well maybe this is why do many small electrical companies are going bust..the JIB wage rates are too high..as a non JIB company i can do a job cheaper than than those that belong to it which put

 

[David Prosser]

"There has been one on here who claims to have charged £50 per hour ..this is more than an accountant and I really do think that an accountant or similar job is far higher in the social scale. I think that there has to be a sense of proportion here, we as box standard electricians are lower middle on the qualification scale, above let us say a semi skilled worker but not in the same level as a white collar professional and we must price yourself accordingly or we risk losing our work to other trades.....Have you seen how many plumbers, gas fitters and kitchen fitters now have NICEIC membership and carrying out electrical work".

I can only assume you have a very low opinion of electricians or have simply set out on here to offend people. This won't work, trolling can be the only logical explanation. Why disrespect someone for getting paid £50 an hour (I charge and pay more) when you are happy with £2.99 an hour. Who is the fool ? All indicators point to you.