Is it worth joining a scheme?

[lsdweb]

Hi all

I'm going to be developing / building a couple of properties next year and want to do the wiring myself. I have several years experience on site (albeit a long time ago) and fairly recent C&G 2382 and C&G 2392. I have the correct test equipment (properly calibrated) and am competent in the testing etc..

I'm wondering if it's worth signing up to NICEIC / ELECSA for what will be two, possibly three rewires in one year.

I guess my alternatives are to pay the LA Building Control to inspect it for me, or find somebody local to 'sign off' the work, although that's not strictly legit I suppose.

Any thoughts?

I'm in South West Wales (West of Llanelli) if anybody local has any ideas.

Thanks

lsdweb

 

[Des 56]

Next year,the 3rd party testing change will possibly be up and running and what you require will be OK

You could join the stroma CPS scheme for less money apparently

Since when has our Welsh local authorities given a monkeys about part p by the way ?
Most of my mates have never bothered,you must have Carmarthens keenest down with you then ?

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

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Since when has our Welsh local authorities given a monkeys about part p by the way ?
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They don't. We live in a rental propertie and we had a fan in the bathroom right next to the shower head 230V. I disconnected this on day one. A few months later after the landlord had been round to do their quarterly check I had a handyman turn up and change the fan and reconnect it. Still 230V fan still less than half a meter from the shower head. I thought right in having this little **** putting my kids at risk. Phone building control at the local council (Conwy) and they didn't even know what bloody part p was and asked me why it was dangerous!

 

[Octopus]

Well... to keep the right side of the law and on the basis that you will be selling the properties I would say you should.

More and More Solicitors are asking questions about certification etc, when they know properties have been done up, so join Stroma for £250.00 then you are well away - and leave it as long as you can so you can use your first one for your "work".

Or try and wing it and get nobbled for 3 EICR's by "other" sparks!!

 

[lsdweb]

Thanks guys - some great advice!

Our plan is that we will probably sell one property and use the other one as a holiday let so we need to be pretty squeaky clean on the certification.

£250 for Stroma doesn't sound too bad as I've heard that getting another spark in to certify my work would cost at least £100 and I'm not sure if I want to go down that route anyway!

 

[telectrix]

hang. on. whoa. if you are doing any building work that is subject to building control, it's not necessary to join a scheme to certify and notify the electrical work. a phone call to your LABC, inform them of your quals, esp 17th, and you should be told that all you need to do is forward them a copy of your EIC.

 

[Guitarist]

I've heard that getting another spark in to certify my work would cost at least £100 and I'm not sure if I want to go down that route anyway!

£100 to test and inspect, then fill in all the paperwork for someone else's install? You must have some cheap sparkys where you are.

 

[lsdweb]

Thanks telectrix ! I had a discussion with our BCO about that very same subject about a year ago, and his opinion is that because they need to bring in specialists to test the work, the cost should be passed on to the builder / developer, hence, the additional charge.

If you can let me know of other Local Authority(ies) that have accepted the 17th Edition certificate in that way that would be great!

 

[Guitarist]

hang. on. whoa. if you are doing any building work that is subject to building control, it's not necessary to join a scheme to certify and notify the electrical work. a phone call to your LABC, inform them of your quals, esp 17th, and you should be told that all you need to do is forward them a copy of your EIC.

I know that you've talked about this before tel, but I can tell you that not many LBC's will accept this. If you are not a member of a scheme, they will cover their backsides and get a registered electrician to test and inspect, at a cost to you.

 

[telectrix]

the thing is. if you are doing notifiable electrical work, under part p ( for some reason this is not even given a mention in the part p doc.) the LABC have to raise a building notice ( don't ask me why, as no building is being done) for which they charge you £300. or, if you are in a scheme, you can by-pass this by notifying through your scheme. now, if you are doing building work for which a building notice has already been raised by LABC, then as long as you are competent and give them a copy of your 2382, then it's as my earlier post.

i deal on this basis with cheshire county councils all the time, no problems. the whole con is that nic, elecsa, etc., will not tell you this as they would lose revenue.

 

[moospark]

hang. on. whoa. if you are doing any building work that is subject to building control, it's not necessary to join a scheme to certify and notify the electrical work. a phone call to your LABC, inform them of your quals, esp 17th, and you should be told that all you need to do is forward them a copy of your EIC.

Dead right, local LABC say fee payable if no EIC provided. "it's a swindle" as Malcom Mclaren said, and he knew.

 

[Des 56]

Following on from the interesting post by tel

I was also under the impression that if "full plans" approval has been granted,the Labc themselves are responsible for Test and inspection,any charge for electrical work then comes included with the package
They must engage someone at "their" expense if they do not have the facility to do so

I may be wrong with all this,but apparently,the Labcs don't like and sometimes won't confirm this,because as far as I can tell,they seem to have as much knowledge of the part P fiasco as the rest of us

If you care to look,(because its all so mind numbing) there will be information on the Communities and Local Gov website that will confirm or dispel this information

 

[Guitarist]

Well, my LBC don't want to know what qualifications you have. If you're not part P registered, it's a registered sparky visit, or one of the Council inspectors. Either way, it's a chargeable. Had this out with them over my Elecsa job. I'm talking about electrical notification here, not full plans.

 

[telectrix]

Following on from the interesting post by tel

I was also under the impression that if "full plans" approval has been granted,the Labc themselves are responsible for Test and inspection,any charge for electrical work then comes included with the package
They must engage someone at "their" expense if they do not have the facility to do so

I may be wrong with all this,but apparently,the Labcs don't like and sometimes won't confirm this,because as far as I can tell,they seem to have as much knowledge of the part P fiasco as the rest of us

If you care to look,(because its all so mind numbing) there will be information on the Communities and Local Gov website that will confirm or dispel this information

think that's what it's all about.... money. if they are responsible for paying, the it figures that if the installer provides a cert. that don't cost them jack diddly, then they're going to accept it.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Hi all

I'm going to be developing / building a couple of properties next year and want to do the wiring myself. I have several years experience on site (albeit a long time ago) and fairly recent C&G 2382 and C&G 2392. I have the correct test equipment (properly calibrated) and am competent in the testing etc..

I'm wondering if it's worth signing up to NICEIC / ELECSA for what will be two, possibly three rewires in one year.

I guess my alternatives are to pay the LA Building Control to inspect it for me, or find somebody local to 'sign off' the work, although that's not strictly legit I suppose.

Any thoughts?

I'm in South West Wales (West of Llanelli) if anybody local has any ideas.

Thanks

lsdweb

so ...if your in south west wales...
whats the los-angeles building control got to do with it?

 

[Engineer54]

As far as i'm aware LABC's also have a verified competent electrician/contractor list. If you get on that list you're automatically classed as fully meeting the criteria of being a Competent Person, with no need to be further ratified by any of the schemes. Still need to have all the insurances in place though etc!!