Lost out to allot of work trying to follow new ever changing Regs, Part P etc

[sham]

I have been asked on many occasions to add lights and sockets to an existing installation. When I tell the customer that I must change the MCB to an RCBO and then carry out a minor cert which all adds to the cost of the job, I know that he has called someone else who will just extent cables, connects what he has to connect and leave with money in his pocket. These Regulations and Part P has literally put me in a financial situation. Has anybody else experienced this?
Even though I should know this, could I just fit an RCD spur unit where I have to extent my cables, so my minor installation is up to regs, or am I responsible for all the circuit as I must test it anyway.

 

[Pete999]

I have been asked on many occasions to add lights and sockets to an existing installation. When I tell the customer That I have to change the mcb to an RCBO and then carry out a minor cert which all adds to the cost of the job, I know that he has called someone else who will just extent cables, connects what he has to connect and leave with money in his pocket. These Regulations and Part P has literally put me in an financial situation. Has anybody else experienced this ?
Even though I should know this, could I just fit an rcd spur unit where I have to extent my cables so my minor installation is up to regs, or am I responsible for all he circuit as I have to test it anyay.

Where can I learn to speak sham? cuz it's difficult to decipher

 

[telectrix]

as long as the circuit you are altering is safe for continued use, a RCD FCU is 1 solution. however, a RCBO for the whole circuit would be a greater improvement, cost differential between the 2 is minimal.

 

[telectrix]

Where can I learn to speak sham?

in an alien world, pete.

 

[Pete999]

in an alien world, pete.

Yes been watching to many Alien documentries, mind you none of them mention speakng sham as a prerequisite.

 

[telectrix]

i refer my learned friend to sham's avatar.

 

[Pete999]

i refer my learned friend to sham's avatar.

Ahh a Grey

 

[Dave OCD]

I find if you explain it all properly to the customer the vast majority want to go with the safe and correct way,interestingly when quoting for a CU change I'll offer both dual RCD and RCBO variants and at least 8 out of 10 choose the more expensive [and IMO best] option but those that just want a cut price job with disregard for regs and safety really aren't worth working for anyway.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

a minor works cert shouldnt take more than ten minutes if you are just adding a light fitting or new socket. only takes longer if you run into problems or have a fault to rectify. they come in duplicate pads and you can hand write it out, and give to customer there and then if needed.
Also from my view your example of changing the mcb to a rcbo could be considered as requiring a EIC rather than minor cert as its changing the protective characteristics of the circuit.

 

[Midwest]

OP's not on about certs, just complying with latest regs when doing alterations or additions.

No one cares, but we do, don't we?

 

[Octopus]

Also from my view your example of changing the mcb to a rcbo could be considered as requiring a EIC rather than minor cert as its changing the protective characteristics of the circuit.

An EIC is ott imho ... a MWC is much more succinct

 

[Deleted member 26818]

a minor works cert shouldnt take more than ten minutes if you are just adding a light fitting or new socket. only takes longer if you run into problems or have a fault to rectify. they come in duplicate pads and you can hand write it out, and give to customer there and then if needed.
Also from my view your example of changing the mcb to a rcbo could be considered as requiring a EIC rather than minor cert as its changing the protective characteristics of the circuit.

MCB and RCBO should have the same tripping characteristics and there’s nothing in the regs saying an EIC is required.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

MCB and RCBO should have the same tripping characteristics and there’s nothing in the regs saying an EIC is required.

I had this discussion on a niceic assessment when perusing my certs and the guy couldnt give me a clear answer one way or not. So told me to eic it... i myself thought that a 6 amp mcb and seperate 30mA rcd replaced with 6amp rcbo is no different... but you know the niceic...

 

[Pete999]

a minor works cert shouldnt take more than ten minutes if you are just adding a light fitting or new socket. only takes longer if you run into problems or have a fault to rectify. they come in duplicate pads and you can hand write it out, and give to customer there and then if needed.
Also from my view your example of changing the mcb to a rcbo could be considered as requiring a EIC rather than minor cert as its changing the protective characteristics of the circuit.

Sorry Gavin I dissagreewith your statement about changing from MCB tp RCBO requiring an EIC

 

[Midwest]

Here's a piece from Certsure's Connection magazine Summer 2015 on appropriate uses of a Minor Works;

 

[telectrix]

Here's a piece from Certsure's Connection magazine Summer 2015 on appropriate uses of a Minor Works;

that shows that a MWC is appropriate for replacement of a OCPD ( either MCB or RCBO). end of argument.

 

[Midwest]

that shows that a MWC is appropriate for replacement of a OCPD ( either MCB or RCBO). end of argument.

Yes I know, thats why I posted it.

 

[Pete999]

in an alien world, pete.

 

[Pete999]

in an alien world, pete.

 

[telectrix]

did you post it 1st class ?