My Panel

[alarm man]

to be fair trev i dont think hes been lashed that much,but he said hes done lots of panel building,and thats not a panel any day of the week,again hes taken it well and will probably learn which is the whole point we all have done poor jobs,its all learning,but someone somewhere in that company feels its ok to send scrap out as a finished job,i think ash will learn more on here than from his master at work..

 

[trev]

Alarm man as usual you make some bloody good points there mate, I just thought it was heading for a severe lashing and thought maybe a little step back was in order given his status. I agree that's not a panel but if that's the way you've been shown how to do something that's the way you do it because you know no better.

 

[Guitarist]

Guys I reckon some of us should cut this lad just a little slack here, in his OP he clearly states he's an apprentice. Ok he's nearly out of his time but nonetheless he is still an apprentice and as such is still under the guidance and supervision of someone qualified (I hope). He's posted the pic up because he's feeling a little proud of something he's done which is why I only said what I did in my first reply to him. Yes there's problems but they're not down to him imho

Well, I tried to help him spell "apprentice", but instead of a thanks he simply told me that he's never been good at spelling and never will be!! No helping some people..... :banghead:

 

[vaughant]

Alarm man as usual you make some bloody good points there mate, I just thought it was heading for a severe lashing and thought maybe a little step back was in order given his status. I agree that's not a panel but if that's the way you've been shown how to do something that's the way you do it because you know no better.

I hope ash doesn't see it that way, and if anyone really digs in im sure we'll sort that out amongst us. I think he's taking all the points on board and as I said above he's clearly interested in all this and as a general starting point his panel has a few positives and given the circumstances it sounds as though he did ok.
As a note ash it's never wrong to question why your asked to do something that's clearly wrong,next time make up a full parts list first (most good installs include a bill of materials) and explain to your bosses that you'd like to use it for college etc so it has to be right as you'll get marked down etc,some bull like that as any costs should be passed onto the customer anyway.
Panel building is not a particularly specialist job,if you want to get into industrial control then it's a field you need to learn,most of my electrical apprenticeship was doing my own drawings from scratch then building the panel,testing it then an instructor would place faults on it that you found using the diagram and fault finding techniques etc.
It would be great if you could post the schematic up as their all done differently but this is a great way of advising on how to do a panel layout well before you even start thinking about connecting it up etc.
As for numbers and the associated tools numbering in my eyes is totally and utterly essential,only the laziest sparks will wire them up without.
If you get access to German schematics they generally use a good system,worth learning and copying!!!

 

[alarm man]

I hope ash doesn't see it that way, and if anyone really digs in im sure we'll sort that out amongst us. I think he's taking all the points on board and as I said above he's clearly interested in all this and as a general starting point his panel has a few positives and given the circumstances it sounds as though he did ok.
As a note ash it's never wrong to question why your asked to do something that's clearly wrong,next time make up a full parts list first (most good installs include a bill of materials) and explain to your bosses that you'd like to use it for college etc so it has to be right as you'll get marked down etc,some bull like that as any costs should be passed onto the customer anyway.
Panel building is not a particularly specialist job,if you want to get into industrial control then it's a field you need to learn,most of my electrical apprenticeship was doing my own drawings from scratch then building the panel,testing it then an instructor would place faults on it that you found using the diagram and fault finding techniques etc.
It would be great if you could post the schematic up as their all done differently but this is a great way of advising on how to do a panel layout well before you even start thinking about connecting it up etc.
As for numbers and the associated tools numbering in my eyes is totally and utterly essential,only the laziest sparks will wire them up without.
If you get access to German schematics they generally use a good system,worth learning and copying!!!

agree with all that v,but the panel building isnt specialist,it may not be but its a art at the minimum,its a sparks version of a picasso,sometimes i would spend a few hours just tweaking a loom or make sure every term was square to make it look so,half a mill out might not look anything to some but to a panel man it was a mile,can be obsessive sometimes

 

[silva.foxx]

...only the laziest sparks will wire them up without.
If you get access to German schematics they generally use a good system,worth learning and copying!!!

I don't class Germans as lazy sparks yet they do a good wiring system using contact numbers rather than wire IDs. They have spot-on schematics to supplement this type of wiring method.

As you've said...I've seen many-a-panel with no markers nor schematics. It's a character-building task when faultfinding them ones.

 

[Engineer54]

I don't class Germans as lazy sparks yet they do a good wiring system using contact numbers rather than wire IDs. They have spot-on schematics to supplement this type of wiring method.

As you've said...I've seen many-a-panel with no markers nor schematics. It's a character-building task when faultfinding them ones.

Well i for one am not a fan of German schematics, which mostly come in multiple sheets or A4 book form for even relatively small control panels. There schematics tend to send you all over the place, ...your forever flicking through different pages. Very difficult at times to get an overall view of what your working on. Much prefer the older UK system, which is basically what the Yanks still use. ...But then that's what i was trained using. lol!!!

 

[Robotstar5]

Well i for one am not a fan of German schematics, which mostly come in multiple sheets or A4 book form for even relatively small control panels. There schematics tend to send you all over the place, ...your forever flicking through different pages. Very difficult at times to get an overall view of what your working on.

Same here, although I don't have a lot of options when half of our machines are sourced through the German headquarters! A good example a few months ago when a safety relay was changed, it had 12-15 brown unmarked wires into top and the same on bottom, the guy was lucky he only got one wrong, still took me a while to sort as I had to disconnect and trace wires jumping all over the drawings!

 

[Robotstar5]

I wanted to use trunking but was told i wasnt allowed and in all honesty there was little room for it as i did not order the enclosure most of the components where pre ordered by my boss while i was on holiday as he knew what i would need roughly! I would of preffered a slightly larger enclosure

I know the feeling when some one else orders the enclosure, in my case the engineer who designed the machine just left a space at the bottom hoping it would do!

It was tight....

 

[big show]

I see that your company don't use panel wiring trunking (slotted/finger) in there panels!! Which is a shame, It makes internal panel wiring so much neater, and gives a professional finish to the job....

Ditto shame no slotted trunking but very nice anyway and I've seen a lot worse