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My mrs recently new bezzy girl mates partner has some property, my mrs said, " my hubby do it for ya at a good rate "

joy i think. I had this gut feeling, you know the one! My mrs and her mate have been looking to get us two men friends, there was even talks of going camping, err don't think that will be happening now. Lol


Anyway, I will refer to him as the landlord but least you now know the connections.

The landlord URGENTLY needed to get a EICR pass certificate, so that the council would let him rent his property to one of their tenants. It's the weekend and I said " ok, I'd do it."

After doing a test, the test failed and I said it was in his best interest to just upgrade the whole board. Nothing was on a RCD, he had an electric shower recently installed as well as a boiler upgrade converted from a water heater tank to a combi no RCD . I charged him 350 total, (I hate favours) this included changing to metal light fitting to pendants cos no earth just a flex visible, installing another 2 lights that were off the wall, replace two 1 gang sockets, clipping a twin earth to wall in the out house and Changing a pull cord. Bonding from 6 to 10 mm. Also after removing the cooker switch had to extend the cables.

Anyway the tenant moves in on the Monday, uses the oven and the RCD trips. Great, I just knew it! I went round there, I disconnect the oven re-check the insulation of the 6mm cable as I need to lengthen the cables of the cooker socket after removing it, could of be a fault there. It reads 216 meg ohms, I check the oven it reads 0.96meg at first and slowly goes up every time it recheck it. I tell him it's the oven. I put the oven back In as it reads 3 meg the time I last check. It tripped again after about 10 minutes. I was there 2 hours.

He is under the impression that it is to do with the work I done and said in the form of a text, "well I thought you passed this property and it was good to go." I then politely explained that I only checked the fixed wiring. I also I hinted that I wanted extra money.

After much explaining and explaining the difference between mcb and RCD I told him that he needed a new oven. There was many texts thrown backward and forwards.

I ended saying, " look ! Don't worry about paying me for this extra call, there's nothing more I can do, you need a new oven and find another electrician. I didn't end it to professionally I know, but man I thought I was the one doing the favour, I did get annoyed with he constant questioning as if I am trying to rip him off saying well it was working before. I would be interested what he would of been charged by going to a local firm. I did Explain well there wasn't an RCD before and push in mcbs don't pick up this kind of fault.

he then started saying well he finds it rather strange, the guy told me he had his part p so you would expect he would understand what I was explaining.

Anyway now it's playing on mind. I just want to know now, will he get a oven, will he get another electrician out. cos sure what of he does replace the oven and it does still trip. Arrrrh ! Give me comfort someone lol also how would you deal with this professionally because having to send texting explaining how an RCD works and the difference between an RCD and mcb just didn't do it for me.


thanks in advance for any replies


Jim
 
Re: RCD trip after board upgrade. Frustration who on my side? Who's on landlords? A r

Are there any issues with the fixed wiring that would trip an RCD? From what you've said I'd say no.

Is the oven likely to continue tripping the RCD? From what you've said I'd say yes.

Is a replacement oven likely to have a fault which would trip an RCD? Probably not.
 
Re: RCD trip after board upgrade. Frustration who on my side? Who's on landlords? A r

Mate tell him to waste his money on another spark and let him say exactly the same thing that u did. What a muppet
 
Re: RCD trip after board upgrade. Frustration who on my side? Who's on landlords? A r

How many years have you been testing and what are your quals?
 
Re: RCD trip after board upgrade. Frustration who on my side? Who's on landlords? A r

i think he'll replace the oven and you'll get a heart felt apology via text and and cash envelope in the post for your trouble... you know, like all our other customers would in the same circumstances :)
 
Re: RCD trip after board upgrade. Frustration who on my side? Who's on landlords? A r

What is an EICR pass certificate?

Probably the same as the enigma also known as a landlords certificate
 
Re: RCD trip after board upgrade. Frustration who on my side? Who's on landlords? A r

The way I have often put it to them is "The new consumer unit is sensitive to faults that your old fuseboard was not and will trip if you have faulty equipment".
 
Re: RCD trip after board upgrade. Frustration who on my side? Who's on landlords? A r

Are there any issues with the fixed wiring that would trip an RCD? From what you've said I'd say no.

Is the oven likely to continue tripping the RCD? From what you've said I'd say yes.

Is a replacement oven likely to have a fault which would trip an RCD? Probably not.

yer, well until he gets a new oven replaces it and sees no trip, then I will know.
 
Re: RCD trip after board upgrade. Frustration who on my side? Who's on landlords? A r

Also with the tests you have done you have proved the oven is faulty so sleep easy :)
 
Re: RCD trip after board upgrade. Frustration who on my side? Who's on landlords? A r

Has the oven been sat dormant for a while? Or is it a new oven with the protective element coating causing the issue?
Cookers are notorious for this... There are ways to confirm this and possibly rectify, but only experience will help you there...
 
Re: RCD trip after board upgrade. Frustration who on my side? Who's on landlords? A r

How many years have you been testing and what are your quals?
I been testing since 2007, I have 17 edition, part 2, 2391, part p, NICEIC domestic installer in my first years of starting self employed. Have 10 years overall experience. Just got my first big job to test 300 flats start Thursday.
 
Re: RCD trip after board upgrade. Frustration who on my side? Who's on landlords? A r

yer, well until he gets a new oven replaces it and sees no trip, then I will know.

You should know from the full inspection and testing you carried out that the installation is fine.

Out of curiosity why was the board changed in the first place? As you know the EICR can't have returned an 'unsatisfactory' result just because there wasn't an RCD
 
Re: RCD trip after board upgrade. Frustration who on my side? Who's on landlords? A r

Experience will also teach you to test with certain loads connected too.... Saves many a 'revisit'
 
Re: RCD trip after board upgrade. Frustration who on my side? Who's on landlords? A r

You should know from the full inspection and testing you carried out that the installation is fine.

Out of curiosity why was the board changed in the first place? As you know the EICR can't have returned an 'unsatisfactory' result just because there wasn't an RCD

I believe he would have isolated cooker DP switch for I/R test. This again proves the value of the "Main switch off, everything plugged in and switched on global L&N-E 250V IR test".
 
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